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Oklahoma official with white nationalist ties is ousted in recall vote
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As a moderate Republican that lives in Enid, statements like this are exactly how people like him get elected. When you call all of us Nazis, calling an actual Nazi what he is means nothing.
I moved here after he had already been elected and first saw ESJC gathering recall signatures while I was out shopping. When they said they were campaigning against a white supremacist I shrugged them off and kept shopping assuming it was standard hyperbole. A few days later I got around to googling him and realized he was an actual Nazi and was super surprised.
When you cry wolf, no one believes you when there is a wolf. I’m sure as fuck not a white supremacist, but you just called me one. That’s how you make me ignore you when you call the next guy one.
Republicans have a fascist as their presidential nominee.
A bar that serves out-and-proud Nazis is a Nazi bar.
I haven’t voted in my primary yet. But keep it up, you’re the exact reason actual nazis are able to hide in the open. No one that isn’t already in your group think actually listens to or believes you.
Republicans are the ones giving cover to Nazis. Stop trying to blame other people for the fact that the white nationalists have a home in the GOP.
And yet you elected a president who gave a eulogy at a KKK exalted cyclops’s funeral as a personal friend. Having people we don’t like in our party is a bit different from glorifying them. I moved from the Seattle area to Enid and there was far more legitimate hate in the blue area.
Fuck off with your false equivalency.
The leader of the Republican party is on record as wanting to ban Muslims from entering the country, said Obama wasn't born in the US (because he's black), tried to organize a putsch to overthrow a democratically elected government, diverted COVID supplies from areas who didn't support him politically, and is calling refugees "animals."
Compared to Biden who gave a speech at the funeral of a very flawed, but reformed, man.
If you can't see the difference, it's because you don't want to.
No such thing. If you still identify as a Republican, you're either a fascist or a fascist-enabler. Neither is a moderate.
This is what you sound like:
Works the other way around too: if you keep calling wolves lambs, people are going to stop believing you too.
You just vote for white supremacists and/or people who actively defend white supremacists and then act like that's a thing psychologically healthy people do.
Cool. So you’re calling me a nazi because of association with people I neither support nor associate with. Wanna know what that does? It convinces me to never associate with you. It also means that when you call anyone else a nazi, I will straight up ignore you. Way to be part of the problem, you are actively enabling nazis by harboring and covering them. Just what I would expect from a standard bigot.
Imagine if you cared half as much about the Nazis in your party as you do about them being called Nazis.
Oh, I absolutely do care which is why I’m ecstatic that this guy got successfully recalled. It’s just bullshit that he got that far and people crying ~~wolf~~ nazi is how he did.
Ah yes, the radical left are the ones keeping you from cleaning your party out.
Tell me: how many Confederate flags is too many for a political rally?
The worst parts of Lemmy show up when one doesn't fall lockstep into whatever flavor of far-left naviete is being pushed down-thread.
I don't agree with everything you posted above but the name calling you were handed in response to an attempt at earnest conversation is an excellent window into the grade school maturity of those very elements.
I used to be more centrist but the left has actively forced me to the right. I grew up in MA and my conservative friends all think I’m liberal. I just personally realize in not left because of people like this. I prefer the party that is kind to me on the street. Being a liberal in Enid is far easier and more comfortable than being a centrist in Seattle. Fascism is a hell of a drug and Seattle loves its drugs.
I grew up in a conservative stronghold and still live adjacent to several of them. Separating ideas from people is a maturing point and one that I hope you and your detractors aspire to.
The attribution in this space is off the charts.
Nope. I specifically said "white supremacist or enabler of white supremacists", which is accurate for every Republican.
While all nazis are white supremacists, not all white supremacists are nazis. Nazism is a specific kind of white supremacist ideology that isn't identical to the brand of white supremacist fascism currently ruling the GOP.
Calling yourself a Republican is as textbook "supporting or associating with" the Republican Party as it gets and the Republican Party is a white supremacist fascist party. Ergo, you're either lying or don't know what the words you're using mean. Probably a bit of both, as is standard for the Trump cult.
Don't threaten me with the lack of an awful time 😄
Well it's not like you paid that close attention the first time around, what with changing what words I used 🙄
Nope, that would be you and the rest of your buddies in the fascist party pretending that you're just "moderate conservatives" that in no way associate with fascists by voting for a fascist party and identifying as being part of a fascist party.
More standard GOP projection 🙄
I just want to say I’m loving your comments ITT. Very well-written and a pleasure to read!
Thanks, I appreciate it! 🫶
So you’re an intolerant extremist that lumps any and everyone that doesn’t agree 100% with you into a broad category that you dehumanize and violently oppose by all means necessary to publicly shame them into compliance. Got it, you’re literally a textbook fascist. Add in your deliberate harboring of white supremacists by purposefully giving them cover to hide.
I don’t associate with radical fascists. Have a good life.
"No u" is always the way Republicans end this conversation, because they can't be bothered to confront the white supremicists in their party.
They exclusively punch left.
Nope, that's the people of theparty you're defending
Still the Republican party.
Nope, that's still the Republican party, who embody ALL of the 14 common features of fascism
Again, still you. Doesn't it hurt your brain to project that much?
Yeah you do. Or were you lying about being a Republican?
What fun churlishness, now let's do you:
Ah yes. It's other people's fault that a person is a Nazi.
What a smart comic!
It's almost as if my point was the laziness of a broad brush and the inability to have a conversation without falling back to antics deserving of the playground.
Well that's not the point of the comic, so that was a massive failure.
Subtext is hard, but I do believe you can learn to find it.
Unfortunately, I have little doubt that you'll continue giving cover to fascists in the name of enlightened centrism.
I’m sorry, the card says “moops.”
Oh no, please don't hit me with your broad brush of righteousness and name calling... Whatever will I do?
Continue to push your false equivalency, obviously.
Every accusation is a confession, no?
So when you said I was self-righteous and calling you names...
...I replied below the name-calling. Clever, right?
Now you only need to identify the purported false equivalency to match suit.
I'm not going to do a little dance for you.
Oh no, how many Nazis did I just make there?!
Exactly, who needs evidence or to actually grapple with the beliefs of others when you can just blithely throw labels about?
something something, the two party system has had disastrous consequences to the human race, something something.
Politics definitely isn’t a single axis scale.
you're right about that. It's not a single axis scale. It's a binary.
The problem is it's so much easier to just paint all Republicans with a broad brush rather than actually try to fix the party. Democrats like myself are just as likely to tend toward tribalism and the "us versus them" mentality. Good luck routing out the fascists and bigots. I hope the remaining reasonable Republicans can regain some control.
Im pretty well done with the established GOP, it just sucks because for anyone that isn’t very solidly left there is literally nothing that matches your views at all anymore. My wife is way further left than me but is still right of center by the current standards and is really struggling with not having any choices that she can actually support.
You think people who are "solidly left" have a party that matches their views?
I think the alt left violently bullying anyone and assuming control of the DNC, the same way the Trump assholes did to the GOP. But that's most of Lemmy so they see it as a good thing.
I really, really wish the "alt left" was in control of the DNC, instead of the "middle, bordering on rightwing" that is in control.