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Blinken says Ukraine has taken back 50% of territory that Russia seized
(www.reuters.com)
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This uhh. This is just nonsense right? I'm not aware of Ukraine having broken any of the defensive first lines let alone past any of the dragon's teeth lines. There's 2 more lines beyond those. Getting past these lines is necessary before getting even 10%, let alone 50%.
Or are they talking about something that happened much earlier? That's really confusing too because anyone that's been watching the map trackers knows nothing close to 50% ever happened. Certainly some pushback several months ago but hardly 50% ????
Kiyv, Kherson, & Kharkiv.
Aight so like 15-20% and he's referring to something that happened ages ago then. I thought it was kinda weird, I guess they're not happy about how the current counteroffensive is going either and this kind of statement helps generate headlines that stop people's support dropping whether it's actually true or not.
I needed to ask because I wasn't really sure if I'd just missed something incredibly major somehow.
I mean looking at this video - which is 4 months old now, too - I am eyeballing it but kinda seems like yeah, it could be 40%+? So now it's 50% maybe, sure.
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This is since the invasion began, counting from Russia's deepest gains into Ukrainian territory. So, this is everything that Ukraine has managed to do against the world's second largest military. While currently there haven't been any spectacular gains, the Ukraine has been steadily grinding the land back from the invaders and combined the amount now adds up to 50% retaken.
Meaning the job is half done, but also half finished.
This boundless optimism is so strange. Using something that was so long ago now for propaganda in the present is super misleading. Until we see a breakthrough of the defensive lines, literally just 1 layer of a line would be a good start let alone all 3 layers I can't really agree with anyone that thinks much is going to happen from the ukrainian side. If/when that does happen I'd be happy to reassess.
Not really. It's an overall view of the progress to date. The liberation of Ukrainian territory is an continuous and ongoing process and it's half done. The only super misleading part has been thinking that Russia would give up on its latest bout of imperialism so quickly. America is going to keep supplying Ukraine with weapons because by doing so they are absolutely wrecking their #1 enemy on the cheap.
Russia is fucked. Even if they beat Ukraine their invasion has caused NATO to expand its direct contact with Russia from over 1000km. Russian threw away decades of goodwill and cause economic cooperation with the West to completely die out. Russia was on the verge of being Europe's OPEC and all of that potential to make their nation better has been utterly lost.
No one is going to trust Russia for at least another full generation.
Mate I don't know why you've said half this shit. I talked about none of that. It's like you're talking at me rather than with me. US weapons? Who said anything about america? It's like you're reading off a script instead of actually responding to what I've said. I'm glad that you're really excited to see loads of people die but like, actually talk to me instead of soapboxing.
Maybe. It's a bizarre response that hardly has anything to do with what I was saying, I just assumed it was someone that really wanted to say all these things that we've heard from neoliberals and the media like a billion times already. Like, ok?
Lol "so long ago". Most of it wasn't even a year ago dude, and the article is pretty clear about the timeline being discussed.
Yes it was? The withdrawal from the north was march30-april6.
I'm not a dude.
The job is not at all half finished. There is a massive difference between taking back territory Russia strategically chose to withdraw from following their failure to advance further and taking back territory they have claimed as an integral part of their nation and will fight tooth and nail to defend.