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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.crimedad.work/post/138601

“That son of a bitch, Bibi Netanyahu, he’s a bad guy,” said Biden privately, according to Woodward. “He’s a bad fucking guy!”

Reads like a bloody Onion article.

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[-] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

Now say it in public and act accordingly.

Defend Israel, but not Netanyahu's government.

[-] bishbosh@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago
[-] match@pawb.social 0 points 1 month ago

cuz I'm opposed to all genocide actually

[-] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 month ago

Because ethnostate is just the excuse people use. Look at the demographics, it's very multicultural in population.

But it's leadership sucks donkey balls and there is way too much religion in their society.

[-] Moneo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Fuck Israel too.

[-] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Why should anyone defend a colonization effort so badly off the rails and out of touch with basic human dignity? There has never been a reason besides $$$ to defend Israel. If we send Israel our addresses will they spread some of that sweet bribery our way? no?

[-] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 5 points 1 month ago

Does defending Israel include extending equal rights to Palestinians and allowing the right of return for refugees and their descendants? Netanyahu or not, I don't think an apartheid state should be defended, especially with resources that could instead be used to help with domestic issues in the US.

[-] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, absolutely. Israel and Palestine are places where people live and community structures exist. They belong to the people who live there.

I actually believe a 1 state solution will be more stable in the long term. The defacto 2 state solution, with one under occupation will never work. The Palestinian vote should be enough to swing the Israeli government away from the right.

Restitution needs to be part of the process, but not at the cost of established long communities and stable communities. There is no magic wand to "make it back the way it was". Communities are groups of people, not places. Focus on restoring the networks of people. It won't be fair, but it might be the best option available.

To hell with divine rights and ancestor speak. Secular freedoms for all, before religious freedoms.

It's the only way to peace in the region.

As to how to get to that point, I am terribly underqualified, but a Marshall style international intervention like what happened in Germany and Japan after WWII probably holds some value.

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