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While true, I understand why some people choose not to vote or vote third-party. It's like the trolley problem, and genocide is a pretty damn good thing to care about, especially when it's people you identify with getting genocided.
My point was that if liberals joined the left in direct action even outside of elections then our choices would be better in the first place. Voting is the least you can do, and for most rabid Lemmy liberals that go around punching left constantly it's THE ONLY THING they do.
If they joined the left, we'd all be punching back together. Instead they say "it's just a little genocide, the other guy is worse, just hold your nose and vote instead of protesting and taking direct political action so we can all go back to doing nothing for 4 more years. You are the problem for being politically engaged out of the voting booth."
Every step in the right direction is better than taking no steps at all (or worse, taking steps backwards). In this particular instance, and certainty throughout our nation's history, voting for a third party in a race with so much at stake, mathematically will help out one particular candidate over another. This is because USA uses a very flawed system of "first past the post" voting. In this instance, Trump obviously benefitted. Voting is taking direct political action. It's not the only form, but it is arguably the most important form of direct political action in this country. It is the way we make lasting and effective change in this country. You can't just force change all at once. You gotta put in the work.
Edit: I'd also add that I am very much in favor of reforming our voting system. But it must come through the system we currently have. The alternative is violence and chaos, which I am not in favor of.
voting DNC is taking no steps at all. it's neoliberal status quo. brutal no-safety rails capitalism, genocide, and war.
. the only time in this country's history where people managed to get meaningful concessions out of the ruling class was when the ruling class was afraid. moments like the New Deal where communists were getting serious consideration. moments like the civil rights era where blacks and anti-war advocates were protesting en mass. moments like like stonewall riots which led to rights for gays.
these are steps in the right direction. voting DNC is pissing against the wind deluding yourself that you can somehow outvote fascism in a democracy
Honestly, I wonder people should start a movement that overtly supports capitulation to and cooperation with China. Start a movement that at least portrays things as being better in China, the people in China actually being freer, that leaders are held accountable, etc. Maybe even overtly say that you wouldn't care if the CCP wholesale took control of the country.
Do I actually espouse or believe any of these things? No. But honestly the ownership class could use a good heart attack once in awhile. Imagine if we had some decent percentage of the population overtly championing Maoism. Suddenly Medicare for All wouldn't seem so extreme, would it?
I'm split between this would lead to good things and this will usher in a new McCarthy red scare style period.
Ironically though I think we are inching closer to the Chinese system as the Chinese system inches closer to our own.
A- brutal capitalism with workers rights stripped down as much as possible
B- a system where a small group of elites get to make all of the political decisions
C- a state who cooperates with the largest corporations in order to stay in power and maintain high profits
The difference is China has been slowly liberalizing, giving their people slightly more political and economic freedoms. Meanwhile here in the US we are doing rhe opposite.
It's almost as if we are both converging towards the same end goal. A sort of convergent evolution headed to the government with the highest fitness. Which unfortunately for us peons isn't designed for us
A general strike would stop project 2025 in its tracks