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I'm curious how the authorities were even aware of this occurring. The article says they were on holiday, so it's not like there was much time. How did anyone notice their ages? Was it just fishing for a charge because of unrelated reasons?
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They're always watching. I'm in tech and was taught in my security training - when traveling to countries with extremely strong surveillance, assume you are bugged. Family could be high valued and they wanted something from the parents. Probably a bit too tinfoil hat.
Vengeance girl's parents could be assholes/racist. As a dude, Ive had my share of "mommy & daddy doesn't like me for taking their precious flower". Multiplier in effect if they have a problem that I'm a PoC.
It was the mother of the girl. She got back to the UK found out about the boy and contacted the Dubai authorities. Apparently the girl was days off her 18th birthday too. It was in the news report when he was originally arrested.
Wrecked a young man’s life for some bullshit reason.
Wow, 2 years older in mere days. Must be a leap year.
Sorry typo. Fixed
You already know that Mommy phoned it in but after reading several articles I'm going to guess she did it because her family is Muslim. According to another article his family knew about it but didn't care however she was hiding it from her family because they were "quite strict".
I won't discount racist assholes of course but you'd have to be SERIOUSLY over the top to know about this law in Dubai, let alone be willing to make an international phone call to the Dubai police about it. This smacks of religiously motivated behavior.
I think either of those are super plausible. There will be people where they stayed who are happy to snitch, no bugs required. On top of that, the UAE has one of the highest concentration of surveillance cameras in the world. Like 30,000 in Dubai. Throw in some facial recognition cross referenced with the list of folks on vacation or on business in the city and it's real easy to find out who is spending time together, what their ages are, and what their kids will look like.
The second one happens all the time. Happened to me when I turned 18 before my then girlfriend. Her mom threatened me with jail and all kinds of shit even though it was perfectly legal and we were only a couple of months apart. She just didn't like me or the fact that I was dating her daughter. Would have probably been worse if I had been a PoC.
If you check the article it says it's the 2nd case, the girl's parents notified the Dubai authorities
You've left out the good old snitch, my understanding is they're pretty darn strict with anything that involves women over there, so maybe someone from the hotel saw something and reported it.
Did you read the article?
The girls mother reported him to the Dubai police.
Hopefully her identity is revealed to the public and she faces some consequences for her actions. Maybe it's already been leaked or released elsewhere, but it wasn't in that article.
I don't believe that detail was in the article when I read it, but I'm unable to find any copies from before the update. I can tell you the article now is very different from the original.
Probably saw them socializing and then followed him on security cameras. Possibly seeing him go in her hotel room or vice versa. Then they haul him in and he admits what went on
I think everyone here thinks that Dubai is like Saudi Arabia. It’s not. Nobody at all cares who is having sex or not in Dubai, there’s a thriving sex work industry there. The police aren’t monitoring for couples or care. This only got escalated because a mother complained and the daughter was underaged.
If you have money.
Otherwise, the authorization laws are there, ready to be applied when convenient
https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-arab-emirates/freedom-world/2020
Please note freedom house can certainly be considered biased in their rankings, but their descriptions of conditions or situations is relevant
It’s not a free country, but that’s not relevant to the point I was making above. They’re still not sex policing like Afghanistan or Iran. On that topic they’re closer to Las Vegas.
And yes, the authorization laws are everywhere, I know an American who got charged with adultery in the US because he had an unfriendly prosecutor. I think you’re missing my point.
You can have concerns with the bias of the source but it's relevant for discussion. It's not like you say, you walk a razor of financially guarded privledge there, and many folks do not live as you describe.
You're describing the advertised, candy coated version.
Late edit: to compare the authoritarian concerns in UAE / Dubai to the US is disrespectful to folks who live there.
Even later edit, I bet you didn't see this cause you downvoted me the moment i posted lol,
It's not a requirement to be Afghanistan-bad to be still a very problematic place, and comparing the private liberties of either to America is a miss.
No. While there is a ton of inequality, there, it still does not change the fact that UAE is not Iran or Afghanistan, it doesn’t matter if you’re rich or poor, the police will still not arrest you for holding hands in public, police will not stop to ask you if you’re married to the girl you’re with, and if you’re having sex outside of marriage literally nobody will care. UAE does not have morality police like Saudi did. You failing to make this distinction undermines the rest of your argument. As to this story, the police in any country would take notice if a woman called and said her daughter is underage and with a man in a foreign country, so it’s not surprising he got detained and the story progressed from there.
Out of respect, I had late edits focused on the relativism between countries.
Uae / Dubai is a authoritarian surveillance state far beyond the US or any western country. They have the money to be "pro" about it and don't need roving squads of cops making street arrests. That doesnt mean the civil liberties of many aren't adjacent to the likes of other worse authoritarian theocracies.
Regarding the later point, I agree, if given a reputable concern from the family, I don't fault Dubai for making legitimate inquiries, based on evidence.
Aside from those specifics, There is no reason to defend these countries, they won't reward you.
Yes, UAE is an authoritarian dictatorship surveillance state that not accountable to its people and meddles in multiple foreign wars and runs its own mini Guantanamo. All of this is true. BUT the above comments that they’re tracking people to see if they’re having sex and arresting them for it is simply false. Not every dictatorship has morality police, and UAE certainly doesn’t. The police are well aware of the drugs and prostitution in Dubai and let it happen. Can we all agree on this? Because I don’t want to defend this dictatorship, but this conversation always circles back to generic racism against Arabs (as if they’re all like Saudi or Taliban) and Islamophobia (since people assume the religion is at fault despite UAE being a secular dictatorship) and I’m trying to make that distinction here.
I can agree with money and proper handling you can do most anything there.
I can also acknowledge the state sponsored shadow class of people who have zero autonomy (like ability travel or marry at will) and the razor thin line of favor that can yeet you from the candy coated liberal fun ride into full on authoritarian handling, for almost zero reason but political displeasure. I will also acknowledge that that isn't exactly what happened here, but my (not sure if in this chain) comment that they surveil and interview for infractions is unchanged.
In closing I'll clarify I have no ill will towards those of Arab decent but all religion can fuck right off, it's a vehicle for oppression and nothing more. I'm not islamiphobic , I'm just aware of what the presence of religion always means. I agree that they are officially secular, but it bears discussion that they are heavily influenced by Islamic motivated norms (for example Muslim women there cannot marry a non Muslim, but Muslim men can marry out), which is literally always distasteful. Same as in America with evangelicals.
I don’t like being made to defend anything UAE does, they’re a corrupt dictatorship with racism and classism. But blaming any of their idiocy on religion is stupid; the rulers don’t follow any of it and they’re secular because there’s nothing in the religion authorizing their behavior.
Islam grants specific minimum human rights; and women are enshrined some specific rights like the right to their own property and who they choose to marry etc. Other religions lack these, so a Muslim woman marrying into a non Muslim family can’t be guaranteed those protections as well as the worldwide custom that the husband choose the religion to raise the children (this is in all cultures and religions), so as a result of all these reasons it’s considered a sin as well as a bad idea for a Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim man. Its a reality even if you find the de facto reality distasteful.
But why were they watching in the first place? How did they know their ages?
Authoritarian countries like Dubai watch visitors.
It would be pretty easy (with big error bars but since when did authoritarians give a shit about that?) to set up some alerts based on facial recognition when someone under 18 (they have their passport information) is hanging out with someone over 18 who did not arrive in the same party.