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This token has no source of value except what Reddit allows it to be redeemed for within their platform.
I'd bet they implement the ability to blacklist or freeze tokens like the major stablecoins do. And either way if the utility of these tokens depends on their use within the centralized platform of Reddit, that's a simple way to gate access and take them away effectively.
There's no way it does anything to protect against it. In fact it's basically guaranteed to go the same way; people spending money on future false promises from Reddit, and getting rugged.
I'm actually pro-crypto in general, but token speculation as a tacked on business model trends towards being pretty scammy just because of the incentives and how crypto token value works, basically always goes badly. There is no reason to believe this is or will be the "best system yet", it's worse than the old points system because the people buying will have some expectation of profit.
Well to am extent I agree with you, the ecosystem is the community and if reddit does not foster that it will be worthless. However the fact is MOONs as the example are traded on 3rd party exchanges with an ETH pairing.
I agree this is a possibility, and it comes into what I have said in other comments about the token implementation. Though again with the example being MOONs I have not heard of this being an issue.
It protects in the sense that I can trade my tokens with a 3rd part into another. However if Reddit kills tokens on the app then the value would be 0 making that void. I am not saying this is a perfect system, as with any crypto project the success comes from the developers and early users nurturing the ecosystem and driving the value.
Me too, I've been in the space for a long time and seen my fair share of scams and BS, but through it all I still believe in the potential crypto has overall. Based of the MOONs this current system has legs in my opinion and can actually financially compensate otherwise unpaid moderators in popular subs for the hard work they do. As a concept this is good.
You scepticism is healthy, and more people need to have this attitude in crypto in general to stop the wild speculation you talk about however it doesn't mean we should dismiss good concepts out of turn. Give it a chance, I'm not saying it will be the best system yet just that it has potential, I don't want to let my overall feeling of what Reddit has done totally blind me to that.
From what I can see the source code for the contract is not published/verified. That is not a good sign in this regard.
Disagree. Long term success requires a sound value model, and aligned incentives. The concept needs to be solid, otherwise it is doomed regardless of developer and community efforts.
Compensating content creators is potentially a fine concept and has worked for other platforms. But with what is a crucial part of the equation that can't be overlooked. In this case the "with what" on the surface seems to be an implied promise from a soon-to-be corporation that the tokens will be redeemable for "community governance" and "premium features". Both things Reddit has very recently been openly and explicitly scamming its users out of (protest crackdowns, deleting previously held stuff people paid for). They are obviously not good for it.
In the short term that probably won't matter, because speculators will buy the token off of creators regardless of the strength or weakness of its fundamental value proposition, because it has brand strength, and that can drive price on its own. There's probably manipulation going on as well to convince investors to buy just on the basis of what the chart is doing. But that stuff isn't sustainable. So in the end what's going to happen is you're going to have a population of bagholders who have watched their investment decline over years, begging Reddit to do something to pump their bags, and Reddit will shrug, point to some fine print saying they don't legally have to do anything, and redirect the systems that would have accrued value to token holders towards accruing value to investors in their actual stock. It would be incredibly naive to assume they will not do this. I believe that the idea here is to have a system to pay content creators for a little while, but where the money comes from the eventual losses of speculators and Reddit doesn't have to actually spend its own money.
Agreed
So initial concept is ofcourse the foundation but surly it's the developer and user participation that drive value long term?
The tokens can be traded into ETH and cash, the ability to leave the ecosystem with value for what you have added is a good concept in my opinion.
I totally agree Reddit has been a scummy actor, especially in recent months but I feel if they had acted differently up to this point the reception of this change would be more welcomed.
For example if they had not killed 3rd party app and instead of just wiping the old point system clean they essentially air dropped an equivalent of the new token to users.
I'm no fool, I can see how reddit could use this as another log on the trash fire however I think the concept is good and I'm on the fence to see how it will go from here.
I get that, but can you understand that this Eth and cash needs to come from someone? And that it will be someone who is only buying it because they believe they will be able to later sell those tokens for more? Does it simply not matter to you where that money comes from or whether someone is getting screwed over in the process? The 'value' created by interacting with Reddit is not magically transmuted into value for the token, you just happen to get the tokens after interacting with Reddit.