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Trump Plans to Hand Taxpayer Data to Homeland Security to Speed Up Deportations (truthout.org)

submitted 4 days ago by BrikoX@lemmy.zip to c/usa@midwest.social

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The system, which would enable sharing of massive amounts of sensitive data, may be launched before the end of July.

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[–] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 16 points 4 days ago (9 children)

So it wasn't about them not paying taxes?

[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

How does an illegal immigrant pay income taxes?

[–] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's automatically deducted from their paychecks, and they'll never collect on it so it just goes into the system.

Another positive this stupid fuck has fucked up.

[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But, how does that work?

You remove it from their paychecks under what ###?

When the employer goes to send in that $$$ to the IRS, what does the IRS put it towards? Don't the ask, 'Who is this for?', what does the employer tell them?

[–] SmokeInFog@midwest.social 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You remove it from their paychecks under what ###?

Their individual taxpayer identification number, or ITIN. If you had read the full reply I gave you above, you'd see this:

If you are a US citizen, you can use your Social Security number (SSN) to file your income taxes. Immigrants who do not have a valid visa or other proof of legal status are not eligible for an SSN. Instead, these workers can apply through the IRS for an individual taxpayer identification number, or ITIN, to file their taxes. As of January 2021, there were an estimated 5.4 million active ITINs.

[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

WTF? So your country bitches out illegal immigrants, and yet gives them an official way for them to work in your country via ITINs?

Immigrants who do not have a valid visa or other proof of legal status are not eligible for an SSN.

So if you do not have a valid work visa or proof of legal status, why would you be allowed to work and why would ITIN's exist at all?

[–] SmokeInFog@midwest.social 1 points 3 days ago

Do you know how to use the internet?

From Wikipedia's article on individual taxpayer identification number:

The ITIN program was created on July 1, 1996 for the purpose of allowing tax return filing by individuals without a Social Security Number (SSN). Receiving an ITIN does not in itself confer the right to work and receive income in the United States.[3] ITINs are also used by real estate brokers to facilitate mortgages for unauthorized aliens.[4] In addition to use by unauthorized aliens, ITINs are used by foreign investors in United States real estate. Such investors need ITINs in order to file federal and state tax returns to report rental income.

In 2006, 1.4 million people used ITINs when filing tax returns. Federal tax law generally prohibits the IRS from sharing data with other government agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), assuring unauthorized aliens[5] that the tax information will be confidential and generally will not be used to initiate removal procedures.[6][7]

Now, before you ask another incredibly easy to answer question, please learn to use a search engine. I'm done doing primary school lesson stuff for you.

[–] SmokeInFog@midwest.social 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

This is a very google-able question. From the Tax Policy Center:

Yes, Undocumented Immigrants Pay Taxes—and Receive Few Tax Benefits

An estimated 11 million immigrants live in the US without authorization. Contrary to some claims, they pay a considerable amount in taxes. Some estimates suggest undocumented immigrants paid nearly $100 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022.

Like all US citizens, undocumented immigrants must pay taxes

Immigrants of any legal status are required to pay the same taxes as US citizens. Most have income and payroll taxes deducted from their wages. If they purchase a home, or any goods and services, they pay state and local property taxes or sales taxes like others in their community.

US citizens and undocumented immigrants interact differently with the federal tax system in the forms of identification they use to file their taxes each year.

If you are a US citizen, you can use your Social Security number (SSN) to file your income taxes. Immigrants who do not have a valid visa or other proof of legal status are not eligible for an SSN. Instead, these workers can apply through the IRS for an individual taxpayer identification number, or ITIN, to file their taxes. As of January 2021, there were an estimated 5.4 million active ITINs.

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[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean, yeah.. sales taxes make sense,

"Most have income and payroll taxes deducted"

But HOW?! like the employer takes off % money, they need like an SIN # or something to tie it to. So what does the employer do?

I don't see how any undocumented pays 'income' tax... other than the employer either doesn't deduct it, or does and just pockets it.

[–] SmokeInFog@midwest.social 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Don't be intentionally stupid. It's done via the exact same mechanism that your taxes get paid when you get your paycheck, associated with their ITIN instead of a SSN. Payroll systems are automated; virtually no employer handles payroll themselves, just like virtually no website handles credit card transactions themselves.

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