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[–] cinnaa42@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago (18 children)

do the majority of people know how to install an OS these days at all? like even windows, could the average computer user do that?

[–] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

Like I think if given an installation usb and given a pc preconfigured to boot from USB, then yeah I think most modern installer wizards are idiot proof enough these days for the average computer user… but only if they were driven to install it - I.e. they were motivated and cared enough to read and understand what was on the screen, otherwise I think many would see “format installation volume” and just switch off or panic.

But for the average user to find a distro, download the correct edition, make a live usb, configure their bios for booting from usb, sort missing drivers etc, no. I very much doubt the average user could do that, let alone be educated to and motivated about the possibility in the first place.

[–] cinnaa42@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Yeah for mass adoption someone's going to need to figure out how to make it as easy to install Linux as it is to install Windows. It's not exactly difficult to do rn but it's a lot more involved than the average computer user is going to be able to hack, which will put a limit to the number of people who are willing to adopt.

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

(Not to pick on you specifically)

for mass adoption someone's going to need to figure out how to make it as easy to install Linux as it is to install Windows.

No. This has been true for a decade already. Install Windows from scratch and it sucks too. It will be missing essential software and drivers. It will have tons of absolutely STUPID default settings selected. For mass adoption we need to seize the factories where consumer electronics are produced. There is no alternative. Until then, computers and mobile devices will ship with this garbage and that is what people will use.

The sticking point is not how easy it is to install, or the quality of the software (or how difficult to use and shitty the stock software is). The sticking point is that people are spending hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars on a machine and want it to work "as intended." They don't want to do anything they are conditioned to think might void the warranty. They'll just tell themselves "oh, it works fine I guess."

It is easy (enough) to spend $1,000 on a laptop, unbox it, set the instruction booklet on fire, and wipe the drive before even peeling the plastic film off. Most people simply consider this a ridiculous thing to do.

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Absolutely. When people can actually buy a device with Linux installed, they love it. See Steam Decks.

[–] trinicorn@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

HP dev one kinda flopped

But they really went out of their way to make it a "separate special thing only for developers". They didn't even sell it on hp.com

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah, that's kind of a running theme with pre-installed Linux. You can't just go to the store and buy one, it's always some weird sale they hide in a closet.

[–] cinnaa42@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

I mean fair, I mostly agree, but it's not really true that it's as straightforward to install any kind of Linux as it is to install Windows. Not everything is Arch but it will take several extra steps compared to what Windows requires and the documentation can be overkill for your average user or weirdly judgemental towards users who aren't familiar with Linux at times. A lot of this would be fixable with better education that teaches people how and why to mess with the tech, but obviously that's not happening under capitalism either.

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