We elected him to fight against the U.S. economic attacks and because he promised to help the struggling middle class, make Canada build social housing again, etc.

Now he's essentially eroding our rights to have any dignity. Healthcare, education, infrastructure, access to affordable housing, access to afordable food, working conditions, all are threatened under Carney, to favor the rich elites who are running the fucking show in this country.

Not to mention how he's essentially enabling the U.S. and their economic attacks on our economy, their phony trade deals, and their involvement in genocide with Israel.

Fucking shameful.

I can't believe we have to wait 4 years before getting rid of this asshole. There should be a vote of confidence every year to trigger new elections if the people are unhappy. Along with proportional voting.

I'm so sick of this shit.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We didn't choose him because he was good for us.

We chose him because he was the least worse. It was a choice between the second-worst candidate and the worst.

Always remember that. And let's get a better candidate for next time, so we have someone we want to vote for.

[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I reject that excuse. We could all still have voted NDP which was the best option.

A conservative minority government with a strong NDP would still have been a better outcome than this.

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Some of us could have, yes, and I would say should have. However those in deeply conservative areas could not. I voted Liberal in a vague hope of dethroning the cons in my area (along with others according to election results) and it still wasn't enough. The alternative was vote for a candidate I knew would never have a chance.

We need ranked voting.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And let’s get a better candidate for next time

Except we don't get to pick candidates, we only get to pick Red or Blue.

[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 3 points 2 days ago

You totally can pick the candidate. Just join the party.

That's what I did with the NDP and voted for Avi Lewis.

[–] group_hug@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (4 children)

People love him and he is super popular I imagine/hope because they'd rather scroll influencer infomercials and AI slop than inform themselves.

I agree with PP on one thing though. Crossing the floor should absolutely trigger a by-election. Who's to stop leaders from running candidates in every party. In fact I'm not so sure the NDP floor crosser wasn't a plant. NDP and Carney liberals are very far apart ideologicaly

When I think of Carney liberals I think of the harder government.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People aren't paying as much attention at what's going on. The shit's gonna start hitting them eventually though. Mostly through stagnant wages during continuing price hikes. Not to mention the NDP vote that lent itself to him to keep PP out. We are unlikely to repeat that the way things are going. It's why it's important to build up the NDP in some populist shape so the incoming disgruntled vote doesn't all go to PP. We need working class reps in parliament‚ not whatever the neoliberal fuck the NDP was over the last couple of decades.

[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Avi Lewis is a great leader for the NDP and I'm confident he's thing to turn things around.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Agreed. I can't volunteer but I'm giving him money.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 5 points 2 days ago

I agree with PP on one thing though. Crossing the floor should absolutely trigger a by-election.

Then maybe he should have voted for a bill to do just that when he had the opportunity. That bill didn't pass in part because of Pierre's principled stance.

I'm not saying you're wrong to feel that way, but you are certainly wrong to believe that Pierre actually agrees with that when it doesn't help his position.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Crossing the floor should absolutely trigger a by-election

Parties do not get elected. When a human being gets elected to the office, they have sovereignty over that office. If they want to associate with one, two, a dozen parties, one one day and another the next, that's irrelevant to their holding office.

Parties do not have moral agency. Individual human beings do. Human beings have to be accountable, not mindless systems. Whips already have too much power. When members of government decide to defy their party rather than handing over the power of their office to an un-elected, unaccountable entity, it's usually a very good thing for governance; and when it's not, it's usually endurable.

[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The NDP floor crosser did so at the request of their constituents. They wanted their MP to be in the leading party to have more influence for their small region.

[–] group_hug@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Who and how many? Did they take a vote? Isn't that what a by-election is?

https://www.aptnnews.ca/national-news/idlout-floor-crossing/

Sounds like a personal decision. Don't think it gets more fair coverage than this article from APTN. If it is the will of the electorate have them vote.

Doesn't matter if the person is genuine. If this is what the voters truly wanted, even though they got no vote, floor crossings will be exploited by bad actors in the future unless it is remedied.

[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 1 points 1 day ago

I'm not sure but I think the community they're from is fairly small, so they probably just talked about it and came to a general agreement.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Hey at least we can still kill ourselves

That's a homegrown solution, MAID in Canada

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Unless you're sad.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

That’s my retirement plan.