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Lemmyshitpost community closed until further notice (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by lwadmin@lemmy.world to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world

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Hello everyone,

We unfortunately have to close the !lemmyshitpost community for the time being. We have been fighting the CSAM (Child Sexual Assault Material) posts all day but there is nothing we can do because they will just post from another instance since we changed our registration policy.

We keep working on a solution, we have a few things in the works but that won't help us now.

Thank you for your understanding and apologies to our users, moderators and admins of other instances who had to deal with this.

Edit: @Striker@lemmy.world the moderator of the affected community made a post apologizing for what happened. But this could not be stopped even with 10 moderators. And if it wasn't his community it would have been another one. And it is clear this could happen on any instance.

But we will not give up. We are lucky to have a very dedicated team and we can hopefully make an announcement about what's next very soon.

Edit 2: removed that bit about the moderator tools. That came out a bit harsher than how we meant it. It's been a long day and having to deal with this kind of stuff got some of us a bit salty to say the least. Remember we also had to deal with people posting scat not too long ago so this isn't the first time we felt helpless. Anyway, I hope we can announce something more positive soon.

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[-] cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago

Region banning would prevent anyone in the area from posting. I even mentioned that I use to come across bans for other people. In the case of 4chan, when they region ban, its possible someone else will be prevented from posting.

Not to mention, does this now mean that 4 chan allows CSAM for certain regions? Yikes No its against their TOS entirely. It's readable on their site and they do enforce rules even though they also enable people to be shitty in other ways.

Now, if you want to talk about legality in other countries - that's a different discussion. The internet is open to the WORLD. And all I would be comfortable confirming is that it's definitely illegal in the US where I am. I'm not gonna get into other countries where it might not be illegal. I don't know enough about those places to be able to tell you more.

Basically a region ban would be similar to just pulling that instance down. Preventing whatever region that person was posting in would prevent them from posting as well as making local accounts to try and post more.

When I would be downtown where I live, and got a ban that wasn't meant for me, but I was in the region that was banned, I was able to appeal my ban. In order to appeal, you have to be good at using your words because a person has to sit there and read the appeal to make the decision to unban or not. Mine always went through but I also am capable of talking things out and I'm smart enough to know when to properly explain myself.

Other people didn't get their appeals and I would see them complain about it elsewhere.

Anyway, you don't need to condescend to me. I'm not against what you're saying. I agree with a lot of what you said in other comments.

[-] dipshit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I mentioned this before but I’m sorry that I didn’t see who I was responding to. I usually respond on the internet to ideas, not people. Today I’ve been responding a lot to the idea that CSAM is easy to fix and that for reasons unknown it just hasn’t been done with lemmy and the way it’s being done with lemmy isn’t “the right way”.

GeoIP databases aren’t perfect, which is another problem entirely. It’s better than pulling the plug on the entire internet, sure, but it has its own problems.

I was responding to the idea of gating csam content via geoip as “yikes” because I can’t find myself personally allowing CSAM in some countries, because it’s “legal” in those countries. This is a moral argument I’m making, but I am happy imposing the US law as it relates to CSAM being illegal (not US law such as FOSTA/KOSA, etc.. those are a different can of worms entirely) on other countries. Or to put it another way, as an admin, if I get an email saying “actually bro in country xyz we get to abuse children”, it won’t sway me into allowing that content in that country. IF someone in that country wants to put up a site for that country, that’s their problem (and if I could intervene and prevent them from doing so, I would).

[-] cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago

Today I’ve been responding a lot to the idea that CSAM is easy to fix and that for reasons unknown it just hasn’t been done with lemmy and the way it’s being done with lemmy isn’t “the right way”.

Right, it's definitely not an easy fix and Lemmy doesn't even operate the way other sites do but today I'm learning that using these instances seems to be easily exploitable.

The reason I mentioned region banning is because it definitely worked. There weren't people uploading 10000 images of CSA cause if you tried to, you'd get banned so hard that you'd ruin it for other people posting near by.

I was responding to the idea of gating csam content via geoip as “yikes” because I can’t find myself personally allowing CSAM in some countries, because it’s “legal” in those countries

I agree. Honestly, if I was in charge in anyway - those countries just wouldn't be allowed access. And that does happen. I use to work for an app where we had people working in the Philippines who couldn't access the app itself. We had to just give them info and they would feed it to the customers. And it was because their country is blocked from viewing the app in the first place. They're just straight up not allowed to use it there.

Like I'm totally with you. Fuck MAPs, fuck all of em. If some archaic country still participates in something that is obviously harmful to people - yeah, impose these laws on them. Tell them to fuck off until they stop this shit.

And lets be real. It's gonna be years before they ever stop.

[-] dipshit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The reason I mentioned region banning is because it definitely worked. There weren't people uploading 10000 images of CSA cause if you tried to, you'd get banned so hard that you'd ruin it for other people posting near by.

That’s an interesting point. I didn’t take into account that 4chan might use region banning as a way to shame other anons by removing access from their country. That’s an interesting approach and I guess that’s something that lemmy admins could use in their toolbag. Users would absolutely hate it more than a simple community being banned, but whatever works or at least helps decrease the amount of this in existance.

[-] cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago

Oh right, and it wasn't country based. I'm in a large city and only the downtown region of my city was banned. If I went back home, I could easily get on the site and post.

[-] dipshit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, there isn’t any geographic information required when giving out ip addresses. Companies like MaxMind maintain a large “GeoIP” database that tries to match IP address with location and is pretty good, but isn’t 100%. VPNs also make the situation worse, as it sounds like with 4chan someone could vpn to a country they didn’t like, post CSAM and get that country banned. It also means users can circumvent the banings with VPNs. All of this makes the entire region banning pretty useless. It’s value comes likely comes from users who don’t know how to use VPNs, but do know what 4chan is.

And then there was the issue with people distributing CSAM via sprays on counterstrike servers. Just joining a server would mean downloading those sprays onto your machine without your knowledge, just so they could be visible in game (which is more or less how the web works anyway, but the point here was that someone could create hundreds of sprays with CSAM and then even if not used, every player would have that content somewhere on their computer.

Edit: not sure why I brought up the counterstrike thing. I think I was trying to make the point thats unfortunately sometimes this material seems to be weaponized. All around awful.

[-] cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah I mean, I only mentioned how they do this on 4chan with region bans because they have worked. Believe or not but people don't just get VPNs to spam CP there.

They use to do that back in like what... 2005 ish? Maybe even into like 2008, or around that era? In all my years wasted on that site, no one was just spamming CP and getting away with it. It was always taken down quickly and the bans were put in place and the spamming of illegal content stopped.

And people there definitely use VPNs but to do things like torrent or pirate usually. They aren't all dumb, they just have bad morals in general over there.

I'm familiar with the CS sprays you're talking about! This was an issue in other games too where you could upload images as a spray to put on a wall in a game. I believe my ex and I use to spray the image from Goatse in one of the earlier Call of Duty games.

My ex ran his own server though. If someone uploaded CP, he would just ban them.