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It’s an Absolutely Terrifying Night in Gaza Right Now
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So you also agree that Israel should immediately cease the siege of Gaza and look toward a diplomatic solution that aims to heal both parties loss. Perhaps a brokered peace and lasting agreement by a neutral 3rd party to finally solve all disputes? I think that's a wonderful idea.
While Hamas ceases fire and releases all hostages unconditionally at the same time of course. sounds like a splendid idea.
I believe that's on the table
Probably not the preferred outcome, but it stops the killing now
That’s not an unconditional release of the hostages - so it’s very unlikely to happen.
Your statement doesn't jive then.
You make exaggerated statements, by driving arguments to their most extreme (full amends and healing has to happen INSTANTLY/NOW), to pretend that an argument is invalid.
The healing and making amends is a process that will take years, if not a decade.
Israel will not give in to Hamas demands that stemmed from the October 7 terror attack. This would show EVERY Terror Organization that terror against civilians indeed pays very well.
Don't act like you care about the lives being erased by the bombs then man. We didn't have to have this conversation. You were the one who wanted to act like you cared now and not in years, if not a decade.
You don’t want to contribute to a meaningful discussion and are only virtue signaling to your Hamas Fanboys that cheer you on. You are only here to WIN a discussion, not take part in it. There is no value talking to the likes of you. So keep on with your little circlejerk here.
Like that hasn't been tried before.
Your right, better to just keep bombing. I meant it more as the neutral party decides but both sides agree up front to abide by the terms of the agreement and have no say in how that neutral party decides. Perhaps protection guarantees are made and loss of claims imposed on any further hostilities?
The UNIFIL (neutral peace keeping force) exists in Lebanon since 1978 - and didn't prevent Hezbollah from becoming the most capable non-government actor in the region, which launches AT missiles on Israeli northern border every single day. Tell us more about neutral parties...
Pack it up everyone. Anything that hasn't gone right before in the past, means nothing, no matter how different, could ever succeed in the future. Not like there's any ethnic cleansing or genocides to look back on. Better get going with this totally original "Gaza Remodel"
Just saying that the suggestion for third party peace keeping force is a bit idealistic, and doesn't have a good track record. So there has to be another way.
Who do you suggest as a "neutral body"?
If it's a single country? Maybe Iceland just off the top of the head? I feel like they would do their best to listen to everyone and go over all the data.
Maybe some sort of neutral council that expressly uses smaller, non dominate countries, that could vote in secrecy and be protected from the wishes of the international super powers.
You seem to not fully understand the situation if you think both parties will accept your solution
https://x.com/Duduoppe/status/1713996489024794825?s=20
Why the hell are you sending me some guys yuk yuk eli5 take on the situation? Were talking about people here man. I give no shits what Hamas has to say and no shits what Bibi has to say. Hence, neutral 3rd party and binding agreement with no taksey backseys.
it's called reforms man. Do you think all the people that fought in all the wars of "great and powerful enemies" just went on to loot and plunder the world after the conflicts ended? That these irredeemable souls beyond help had to be liquidated or chained up in a cell? They just went home. Or they went to prison. It gets sorted out. That's literally how a justice system and reformation works.
Germany and Japan were considered to be literal monsters and now are some of the most respected countries in the world. It doesn't happen overnight, but that's what happens when you give people a path to walk and a future to look forward to that isn't "die in Gaza prison"
Have the U.N. come in, hold the ceasefire on both sides and create space for those people to hold new elections once they can breath for a minute. It's not rocket science.
Sounds great, but really that'll just be the pre-october 7 blockaded Gaza situation but with UN soldiers watching Hamas not pull any shit.
I would imagine with a large enough peace keeping force the pretense for the blockaid would be voided if the eventual outcome would be a binding agreement as I stated elsewhere in the thread. As people love to state, the purpose of Hamas is to destroy Israel. If the accepted outcome of whatever agreement is reached is to be final regardless, then a new incoming government under a democratic framework would be needed quickly as Hamas would be irrelevant.
Also, who knows what that agreement means for rules or reformations placed on Israels government as well. With a fresh start for both, perhaps the people can move on.
There's no nation willing to commit enough troops to stop Hamas from starting shit in Gaza.
It's unrealistic to believe that any ceasefire is going to come with restrictions on Israel government as militarily their the dominant force in the conflict.
Wait, are you suggesting a UN force dismantles the state of Israel? Why would they agree to that?
I don't know if you're aware, but Hamas previously had an Israeli hostage that was freed in exchange for around one thousand terrorists from Israeli detention facilities with the aid of a third "neutral" country.
Do you know where those 1000 or so terrorists spent the 7th of October? I'll let you guess.
Also, are you aware of the situation in the north of Israel with the border of Lebanon? Israel previously decided to stop its military campaign (initiated after a chain of terrorist and missile attacks) after getting assurances a UN peace keeping forces will make sure no terrorist organization takes advantage of the war torn Lebanon. Do you want me to describe what the situation is like in that border since?
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
Only someone with no beef in the situation and no knowledge of history will suggest what you are suggesting - I don't blame you though, you want to help out, but you should start by knowing the history: https://youtu.be/XNf40sBcvKk?si=y_jdp7OsfmD2IvdW
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Holy shit. Stop sending me fucking eli5 videos that I will most certainly not watch after affording you a courtesy on the first one. You've addressed nothing of what I've said in any meaningful way and are just trying to pivot off a bunch of new talking points. I already pointed out what a possible solution is that covers all this stuff. Either systematically refute those points or go play Roblox backrooms, but stop wasting both our time otherwise till the next account clocks in.
You gave Germany and Japan as examples, do you remember what are the military actions that convinced these countries from committing their atrocities?
You seem to choose what parts of history you remember. You should take a refresher course in history, or watch the video I linked, it's really informative I promise.
Not what I asked for. Refute the points before we address yours.
I thought I did, if there's a point you think I missed let me know.
You did not. From the beginning.
I did, state the missing point or stop gaslighting.
no you didn't but whatever you say. Hopefully nobody will go back and look at all the easily looked at evidence of this.