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Italian town in turmoil after far-right mayor bans Muslim prayers
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How about ban all prayers?
How about we invest in properly educating children so we won't need to worry about religion anymore?
Religion is not necessarily a lack of education, perhaps there is a correlation where you live but it's quite insulting to suggest this is universal
It seems to be, on the planet I live on. It's literally trying to explain things with magic and imaginary creatures.
You're being willfully reductive... religion is not only a cosmogony, it is also (and often dominantly) a set of rites and laws. People have always been educated and religious. But then that varies locally and I don't hope to invalidate your experience by stating that
I'm sure you're a good person, and I don't have much against religion as a concept, but on average it's not a force that i consider positive for humanity, and religious establishment is very easily corrupted in every possible way.
Sounds like communism. Or Navalny, but he is busy being corpse.
What are you even trying to do with this comment?
I mentioned communism for obvious reasons and mentioned Navalny because incerease in education funding was part of his programme. And that he was killed.
Ok. Then removing state funding and subsidies of all religions.
Wow. You went from 1.socialist to 2.liberal
You're gonna have to pick one...
"Taxes should not be wasted" is now socialist instead of liberal?
and no, I am free to have my own Opinon on Stuff. I don't have to "pick one Team".
On this point, I’m on your team.
Secular state
hmmm.... no ? you understand that would hurt many people ?
Ok. Then removing state funding and subsidies of all religions.
That's reasonable and should be the default. No special treatment, but no special restrictions either. That's only fair.
Are mosques and churches state funded in Italy?
Dunno. But they are in Russia. Fuck Putin.
Yes but then you're hurting everyone equally. This is actually a better idea than discriminating against a single group because it's actually fair.
anti-theists never care about the damage they inflict, as they are strong believers that the damages religion brings is infinitely worse than the atrocities they feel they must commit to eradicate it.
It's just another flavor of fanaticism that feels entitled to their violent rhetoric because 'they see more clearly'.
It's the same euphoria any zealot feels.
Ahh yes, the atrocity of making it illegal. I'm not for making religion illegal but how is that in any way equal to even a portion of the violence caused by various religions?
Religion isn't required for atrocities to happen, some of the most brutal regimes in the world are staunch atheists.
Do you have any idea what Russia did to the clergy after the revolution?
Or the absolute inhumanity by which the Chinese government has treated Tibetan monks?
All in the name of cleansing the world of 'hateful religion'.
It's so easy to turn a blind eye to your own side's revolting history and pretend you have clean hands.
We've seen what happens when atheists take over, and it is ALWAYS followed by the blood of the faithful.
Religion isn't required, but history has shown over and over that it is inevitable that atrocities are committed in the name of religion.
Why do religion get a pass, but a cult doesn't? They operate the same way.
Abusers will always seek positions of power to abuse from, the pedo elite in hollywood is proof of this, and only one of their kind was ever even brought up on charges in the last decade.
Same with the military
Same with the government
You just blame religion exclusively because some edgelad youtuber told you to.
Nothing wrong with the comment until the last line. Do not attack other users. Removed.
Nope, but I do know Russia is trying really hard to be an atheist ethnostate.
Churches aren't tax free because they are churches, they are tax free because they are charities and operate like every other charity except there is one less disclosure form a year they have to file, and quite a lot of churches choose to file that form for transparency. I know you love your talking point but it is simply incorrect.
Churches are strictly prohibited from many political activities. Here is some stuff from the Freedom From Religion website:
In order to remain tax-exempt under 501(c)(3), churches must abide by strict guidelines that prohibit election activity. The Code states in relevant part that 501(c)(3) organizations cannot “participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.” I.R.C. Sec. 501(c)(3). Thus, as a 501(c)(3) organization, churches are strictly forbidden from supporting or opposing a candidate for public office. To do so jeopardizes their tax-exempt status. Churches cannot engage in any of the following activities under the federal tax law:
Ok edgelad
How many Christian groups donated to Trump's PAC and various funds? As far as I know, churches in the States are still exempt from tax. So you can fuck right off because the laws aren't enforced, so they are meaningless. Churches do lobby and they don't lose their tax exemption status.
Good job, you named one country that is trying to be an atheist ethnostate. Now look at what is currently happening in the US with the GOP and many middle eastern religious government, or in Africa, where LGBTQ+ people get prosecuted, stone to death or sentenced because they deviate from the religious stances.
Continue on calling people edgelads, because you've got nothing else going on.
yea, it does strike similar
Thank you in advance for making me feel good about calling your god skydaddy. Why don't you pray to it to stop me?
How about grow up and get over the fact your mommy wouldn't let you take your DS to church.
Wow. Way to project.
Thankfuly almost nobody goes to church here. Only 1% of country's population visited church on christmas.
A distant relative of my wife passed and it was a religious service. Because of that I the militant open atheist have attended services more times the past year than the average American theist.
Got to love progress:)
I was already an adult before portable gaming was a thing, and frankly I enjoyed and still enjoy going to church.
But I have seen literally hundreds of musguided young anti-theists just like you and the butthurt pattern is pretty recognizable.