A new internet is forming (& Meta wants to control it) (yewtu.be)

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A federated internet is forming. It's built on open protocols like ActivityPub & connects services like Mastodon, Threads, Pixelfed, Tumblr, Wordpress and more into a connected network known as the fediverse. And everyone from tech enthusiasts to Mark Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey seem to want in.

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[-] Fapper_McFapper@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago

Get fucked corporate America! Go get fucked real good. The fediverse was always what the internet was supposed to be. Not this corporate manipulation web you’ve weaved. Get fucked.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 5 points 10 months ago

I cant say I disagree.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Don’t worry, the military-industrial complex wants to control it, too. Atlantic Council: Collective Security in a Federated World (PDF)

And don’t worry, the military industrial complex and corporate social media platforms are really one undifferentiated thing: Facebook Partners With Hawkish Atlantic Council, a NATO Lobby Group, to “Protect Democracy”

[-] Ramin_HAL9001@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

And once they control the media, no one will ever again have to worry about learning the truth when military and/or police commit war crimes like genocide, or murder protesters at demonstrations, or when the cops murder people for not having the correct skin color, and so on.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

🌍 👨‍🚀 🔫 👨‍🚀 Always has been

Michael Parenti: Inventing Reality: The Politics of News Media
Edward Herman & Noam Chomsky: Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media

[-] Fluid@aussie.zone 24 points 10 months ago

If the system can't protect itself from being overwhelmed by the cancer of corporate interests, then it's never going to survive. New wave internet needs to learn from the downfalls of its predecessor. The design must have protections built in to prevent capitalists from capitalising, or else it will inevitably fall.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 3 points 10 months ago

We need people like you. I wouldn’t have thought of the possibility (honestly). Do you also have ideas how that would come along?

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

The internet still has to fight to be free

[-] moon@lemmy.cafe 10 points 10 months ago

No I love activitypub, but no it's not lol

[-] JoYo@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

https://nebula.tv/videos/techaltar-a-new-internet-is-forming-meta-wants-to-control-it

[-] smallsubsidy@lemmy.today 1 points 9 months ago

can someone here eli5 how Meta is gonna take control of the fediverse? isn't it supposed to be a decentralized thing?

[-] IlIllIIIllIlIlIIlI@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

[+] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com -23 points 10 months ago

meh. more fud

meta hasnt declared or made any intention of overtaking the fediverse, but that hasnt stopped a metric fuckton of people freakin the fuck out or generating fud blog post after fud blog post

its like claiming meta is going to overtake and own email because they stood up an email server.

[-] Steve@communick.news 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yes! That is most literally true!

People doubt the face value benign intension of Meta with regard to the Fediverse.

Which leaves uncertainty of their real intention.

Naturally causing fear of a self interested malicious intention.

Which all seem to be quite reasonable concerns, given Meta's market position and history.

[+] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com -16 points 10 months ago

so you agree, its all unfounded scare-mongering vlogs without any substantiating information regarding AP.

grooooovy

[-] Steve@communick.news 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As I said, I agree with the literal facts. The implications in your phrasing I disagree with.

Instead of unfounded, I would call it unproven.
Instead of scaremongering I would say warning.
And generally I avoid using absolute terms like "all", since only it takes one counter example, to make such a statement factually wrong.

[-] lemann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 months ago

I absolutely love the clarity of this response

[-] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Facebook is literally arguing to the US federal government that regulations about social media usage by children, and the data they sell from it, aren't their problem but are the responsibility of Google and Apple.

Why do you trust them?

[-] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago

You think they're going to announce their intentions?

Can I sell you a home in Guatemala? It's the best deal you'll ever come across.

[-] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 12 points 10 months ago

Which point? Or did you see the title and wrote your own narrative?

[-] sour@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

facebook have intention to maximize profit

[-] iso@lemy.lol 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Literally this. Right now you can’t create your own mail server because big corpos like Google, Microsoft is going to make you end up in spam folder.

Now, apply this to fediverse.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 10 months ago

i run mail servers professionally and personally. youre right its not easy, but its not impossible. its a regular topic of self hosting.

but more to your point, how has meta usurped smtp? ok. now apply that to AP.

[-] iso@lemy.lol 8 points 10 months ago

You can technically create but you can never be sure that your mails will received.

They don’t usurp the service but make it uncomfortable/unstable to you.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

This is a distinction with little difference, which is convenient for them, because they can say well ackchyually we’re not stopping you from self-hosting nerd when in practical terms they are.

[-] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 5 points 10 months ago

It's not just convenient for them to do it; it's how they are able to evade anti-trust action (not that the U.S. is great at it anyway but still). I also run my own mail server. It's not impossible, and I wouldn't even say it's even hard. It's just time consuming to set up (if it's the first time), and there are a lot of hurdles to make it so impractical that it's virtually impossible to the average person. Only the most patient or those who have a real desire to run their own mail server will even attempt it. Anyone can set up their own mail server, but most won't because it's not worth it compared to using something that just works from Google.