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Ukrainian president says Brasília-Beijing initiative shows “lack of respect” toward Kyiv’s position.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy accused Brazil of being pro-Russia in the Kremlin’s war on Ukraine and lambasted a joint peace proposal drawn up by Brasília and Beijing.

“The Chinese-Brazilian proposal is also destructive, it’s just a political statement,” Zelenskyy said during an interview with Brazilian news site Metrópoles on Wednesday evening.

Brazil and China signed a joint statement in May calling for peace talks involving both Russia and Ukraine. However, according to the Ukrainian president, the two countries consulted Moscow but not Kyiv.

“We are not stupid,” Zelenskyy said during the interview. “How can you offer ‘here is our initiative’ without asking anything from us?” He added, “This is a lack of respect toward Ukraine.”

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[-] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well... yeah. Brazil's the B in BRICS and Russia's the R, so Brazil is officially pro-Russia.

And by the bye - China's the C.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 month ago

Lula doesn't seem quite as straightforwardly pro-Russia as Bolsanaro was, but its very clear their economic association with Russia makes them unable to truly be neutral arbiters of the situation, no matter how much Lula wants to present Brazil as attempting to be neutral.

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lula doesn't seem quite as straightforwardly pro-Russia as Bolsanaro was,

He's even more pro-Russian...

"Lula argued in early April that Ukraine should consider ceding the Crimean Peninsula to negotiate peace with Russia, saying that “Zelensky cannot want it all.” "

That's right, Ukraine should not want their whole country, they should stop being 'selfish' and give in to Lula's benefactors demands... He's a flog.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Yet he's carrying a Russian proposal straight out to Ukraine... so different.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 month ago

India the I

South Africa the S

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

And also Egypt and Ethiopia were there.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 weeks ago

BRICS is more about resisting european hegemony to establish a new hegemony than anything. As a unit, sometimes they'll say something real as hell, but generally speaking 90% of what they do is the same evil backstabbing shit we always talk about the US doing to influence global economics and sustain power. When BRICS is taken into consideration with the G-7 what we actually see is a two party system of global torture that more than anything wants to maintain the basic status quo, they just want to shift slightly who's on top

[-] Resol@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

India and China hate each other very much, yet are on the same alliance.

And Russia is allied with both.

Hmm...

[-] VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 weeks ago

Just because I found it's interesting and tangentialy related, here's a bunch of statistics on the BRICS States by the German federal office of statistics.

https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Laender-Regionen/Internationales/Thema/allgemeines-regionales/BRICS/_inhalt.html

Auto-translate should work. The statistic on CO₂ Emissions might be slightly unfair, as I assume a lot of that is directly, or indirectly related to production for G7 countries.

[-] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

Came to say this. Brazil is going to align themselves politically with these countries in the coming years.

[-] blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io 23 points 1 month ago

As a Brazilian, I'd rather have Ukraine than Russia in BRICS. Of course EU is certainly more attractive.

[-] Dagnet@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

I would rather not be a part of the BRICS tbh

[-] blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io 6 points 4 weeks ago

For sure! Until recently I didn't even know it has become some sort of official thing, I always thought that it was just an observation by economists that these 5 countries in particular were "ahead" of the other "developing" countries.

[-] Dagnet@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Has been an official thing for a long time now I believe, with meetings and such

[-] blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io 2 points 4 weeks ago

And I only found out recently when other countries started talking about joining.

[-] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago

Ukraine needs to be allowed to go weapons free in Russia proper, destroy their air defenses, then start hitting refineries and other high value targets throughout Russia and especially near Moscow. Then, peace talks can be productive.

[-] BlucifersVeinyAnus@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

You know shit is serious when world leaders start slamming things

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago

The disrespect from Russia and China aside, I am.optimistic that attempts at peace talks are coming in.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The peace talks are DOA for the reasons stated quite clearly in the article. And frankly, this should surprise absolutely nobody. The proposals were demonstrably not serious, nor made in good faith - again, for reasons stated quite clearly in the article.

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