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So just 4 days ago we had huge thread about how great she is because she criticized US imperialism and immediately after that she's actively participating in the same imperialism. Also her position on Ukraine remains afaik unchanged, still supporting that fascist and ecocidal imperial puppet. How it is even possible to reconcile, is she two different people or what?

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[-] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 80 points 1 month ago

You guys are all blaming this on her being young but have you considered: she's Northern European.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 68 points 1 month ago

Well, she is 21. That's just not a lot of time to shake out all your brainworms. And often people go down one path for a while before realizing it's connected to something else and it's a while before they start to see the shape of the maze. Took me til... 26? 27? To fully break free from my USian programming and that was more the start of a journey than the end of one.

Hopefully she'll do better than I will but she's too young to write off yet. If she keeps on this she'll figure out that climate change, Palestine, proxy wars, all of it leads back to DC, and behind DC is fascism. If we're lucky she'll even drag other people along while she does it.

I'll also say; Palestine is a much easier issue to understand the large scale dynamics of than weird parliamentary politics in other countries. Really grokking what's happening in Ukraine requires a great deal of historical background of the 20th century, plus digging all the way back through the post USSR history of Russia, Ukraine, Putin, Shock Doctrine, the OUN-B, all of it.

Hopefully she'll get better on these things.

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 1 month ago

I feel bad for her because of the pressure that is put on her at a young age.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago

Word. She's been right under the media's guns for a long time now.

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

for real. at 21 my takes were so hot they would have ignited the atmosphere and killed all life on the planet, if

  1. there had been twitter
  2. anyone gave a shit what I thought
[-] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

I get these Facebook "memories" stuff from time to time, and it's really cringy

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[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 month ago

I'm 21. Maybe it's a skill issue 😎😎😎

[-] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

She's supports Ukraine because she blames Russia for the invasion and the ecocide.

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago

She needs to be educated on the Maidan Coup and the US / UK fostering Nazis and Banderites there. What they did to their own people - bombing, murdering, erasing them for resisting fascism.

[-] CommCat@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago

My guess is that she is still surrounded by the same people that started her foray into the public eye. They are a bunch of euro socdems that are good on some issues but horrible on most, especially when it comes to countries that are enemies of the USA/West (Russia, China, DPRK, Iran etc...) Until I see her appear with someone like Prashad, I'm not gonna see her as some serious political figure.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

What's the ecocide angle? I haven't heard about that.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 month ago

This is the point when i start to seriously doubt her, because Ukraine comitted:

  • Ecocide along the front lines, by mass usage of depleted uranium and cluster mines

  • Another one by blowing up the Kakhovka dam

  • Officially a huge one by blowing up Nordstream, and you cannot even blame this on war (ofc we all know USA did it, but she probably should believe official version? i don't remember if she ever commented on that)

  • Potentially a nuclear ecocide when they bombed Zaporozhia plant several times. They planned to capture Kursk nuclear plant, and called for nuclear strikes on Russia.

So even without all the context of nazism and imperialism and taking on a flat value she should at least bothside the war from ecological point of view but she isn't, she's supporting the side which does way more ecological destruction. And added context don't work for Ukraine side also.

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[-] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago

There is a lot of environmental destruction brought with war and a very large chunk of Ukraine won't be usable for a long time.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago

Ahh, yeah. There's so many ways in which this is awful.

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[-] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 54 points 1 month ago

There are a lot of people that think like this. I don't know why people are surprised. My friend dated a Georgian woman who is very left wing in the states and Palestine, but supports these protests, supports Ukraine. She just doesn't like Putin.

[-] Tabitha@hexbear.net 67 points 1 month ago

nobody likes Putin, we just know that the United States isn't in the business of solving our problems

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 41 points 1 month ago

this

The man is a cretinous piece of shit, but he's not a cartoonish supervillain looking to discover the lost city of Cobra-La to unleash the Snake People on the world of Man

Calling for World War III is unwarranted

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[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 58 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm not very surprised, i still remembered that part about Ukraine, posting that as informational if someone forgot because of that thread.

This is, essentially, a liberal position.

[-] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 month ago

Amen. It is a very ignorant position, too. Considering the amount of "slava untini" sprayed at Gaza walls.

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[-] thetaT@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago

left-wing Georgian here.

I don't understand how a "left-wing" person could support these protests. The people behind them are Zionists and people who want to coup the government to estabilish a far-right U.S. puppet, as they did in 2004. And they'd gladly start another war, just like in 2008, except we won't survive this time.

The only kind of "leftist" that would support these kinds of protests is the kind of "leftist" that is really into Scandinavian "socialism" and thinks the EU is somehow "progressive".

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago

There are a lot of people like that in the US. “Left-wing” in America but conservative to far-right in their home countries. Reminds me of an English woman living in the US who was a big Bernie supporter and favorable towards the Greens, but hated Jeremy Corbyn and supported the LibDems in the UK.

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[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

this is why Chinese political memes are so much better than western ones.

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[-] Pili@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago

Bruh, you were getting on a good track, what happened?

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 1 month ago

Possible generational change?

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[-] space_comrade@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago

This seems very on brand for her tbh, did people really think she went full Marxist Leninst because she mentioned imperialism a few times?

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[-] Jabril@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago

"Alright Greta, you've built up enough of a legitimate image with the Palestine stuff, time to get back to work"

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[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

feel like y'all are getting too emotional attached to her

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[-] pinguinu@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 month ago

Accelerationist Greta wants to quicken the downfall of the US empire smh

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As I said in that thread (third most controversial comment smfh), her statement has wiggle room for lesser evilism. She pretty much said that Trump is worse than Harris and that this election is the most important election of our time. What is that but lesser evilism?

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