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[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 119 points 2 weeks ago
[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 103 points 2 weeks ago

Fr one of the reasons I can't get into anime very much is because of how abstract and inhuman most characters look and behave. I know there are cultural and historical reasons for the style and tropes, but it makes everything completely unrelatable to me.

So I'll forever be one of those guys who's like "Cowboy Bebop is great but that's as far as I go"

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 133 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Hayao "I hate weebs almost as much as life itself" Miyazaki

[-] Benjaben@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

Holy crap haha! What a quote. Certainly made his point of view clear lol

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 weeks ago

TBF he is a renowned asshole. He has publically called the work of his own son "an insult to life itself".

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

Well... I mean... Have you watched his movie?

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I know.

But that ain't how you mentor someone.

And it's not just his son.

The man denounces Lord of the Rings, and western culture in general:

(I am), anti-jeans, anti-bourbon, anti-burgers, anti-fried chicken, anti-cola, anti-American coffee, and anti-New York, anti-West Coast, Disneyland go back to America!

He's known to feel disdain for people who embrace modern technology. He's said people using touch-screens look like they are making "strange masturbation-like gestures".

He's admitted to getting "fed up" with seeing people read manga in public, even before smartphones existed.

The man seems incapable of giving constructive criticism, or just generally being pleasant. When commenting on the passing of Osamu Tezuka, the creator of Astro Boy and a formative figure for manga in general, he said:

I'm assuming there will be a loud chorus of other people mourning his passing, and I do not intend to add my voice to it.

He's a genius. And obviously has profound thoughts and ideas about the world as the plot-lines of his movies illustrate.

But he also has a hateful streak which he doesn't seem to even try controlling.

[-] Kellamity@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago

It actually sounds like he and Tolkein would get on really well

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[-] errer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I mean the sheer brutality of his comments is something to behold…like, maximally insulting with very few words. Speaks to his genius in a weird way.

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[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The insult to life itself comment was about generative AI. I think what he said to his son was something like "he's not an adult and he should quit"

After watching what he did to Earthsea, I see his point tbh

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[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 36 points 2 weeks ago

Cowboy Bebop (ESPECIALLY the dub) was very much written and "acted" in a "western" style. Same with contemporaries like Outlaw Star and Big O (which is very much a referene to Batman).

In general? Rowdy Roddy Piper once said (paraphrasing) that pro wrestling is about explosive acting and emoting and film is about implosive acting and emoting. And ask anyone who has done theatre (which pro wrestling basically is)) and they'll say something similar. Because when the camera zooms in to that single tear in Ryan Gosling's eye? We can see it. When Ryan Gosling is on the stage behind twelve layers of plexiglass so we don't try to lick his sweat? We can't see that tear and he needs to make a big gesture to make it clear he is having an emotional breakdown.

And that applies to animated content. With very few exceptions (almost all short films), you can't have the level of detail where such a subtle response will be noticed. Even the truly amazing finales of Cowboy Bebop was built on us having learned enough about the characters to fill in the gaps by that point.

So you get the very over exaggerated "acting" styles so that you know this fairly hastily drawn person is really feeling it. And that is true regardless of the country of origin for the cartoon.

[-] Smoogs@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

If you watched cowboy bebop have you ever watched vash the stampede?

[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

You mean Trigun? Ofc

And GitS and Eva and the other "classics"

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[-] spamfajitas@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Dorohedoro is definitely one of the stranger anime I've seen in recent memory and even they managed to fit noses on their characters. Caiman also technically has a nose, I guess, or at least he's got nostrils.

I'd also strongly recommend it and it's supposed to get a second season at some point.

[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 weeks ago

You know what anime has noses and distinctive designs?

My GOAT, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.

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[-] Akuji@leminal.space 4 points 2 weeks ago

Caiman also technically has a nose, I guess, or at least he’s got nostrils.

Acktshully, he's got a snout, but technically has a nose because of the guy in his mouth 🤓
The adaptation is very solid and faithful, it makes good decisions like cutting mostly irrelevant parts and going for a baroque style for the backgrounds instead of the chaotic, nearly organic style of the manga, which is easier to animate. But if you haven't already, don't wait for the anime, read it, it gets crazier (and makes sense strangely).

[-] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago

This could turn into a thread of its own of people just recommending stuff, but I'm curious if you've looked up any of the current more popular series like Chainsaw Man, Dungeon Meshi (aka Delicious in Dungeon), Jujutsu Kaisen, and the recent Netflix animes like Cyberpunk: Edgerunners and Terminator Zero. I'd say all of them feel like the late night anime that was aired on Toonami back in the 2000s.

I also recommend the movie Redline to everybody because it's such a visual and audio treat. It's like if Hanna Barbera had hired somebody like Studio Ghibli to make a Wacky Racers movie.

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

There's some anime I've watched and loved but I had a revelation two years ago about why I was so put-off by the cutesier stuff. My niece was a toddler and we were goofing around with Snapchat filters. She was loving the anime filter and it dawned on me....

...Adult women in a lot of anime have the mannerisms of a literal children. And it certainly didn't help the ick factor when I also realized these are the characters a lot of weebs want to fuck.

Ew ew ewwww. If an anime with an adult cast is described as kawaii, you cannot convince me to watch it.

[-] socsa@piefed.social 6 points 2 weeks ago

My biggest issue is that I'll start one highly rated anime which is serious and artistic, and then the moment I invite friends over Netflix decides to fill my recommendations with a bunch of boob service thumbnails.

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[-] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You can go far enough but Cowboy Bebop is still the best. Not because of it's graphics.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Look into western anime like Arcane, Avatar, DOTA: Dragon's blood, things like that.

It doesn't feel so... anime. And some of them have legit amazing and "grounded" character design, movement, expressiveness and such.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

Add Castlevania to that list

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I watched castlevania, and I liked it fine, but in terms of style/tropes it feels more anime than western anime to me.

[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Interesting, because Castlevania is a Japanese IP, but is written by Warren Ellis and animated by the same studio as Adventure Time, one of the most beloved series to come out of the 2010s animation boom. Meanwhile DotA: DB is a western IP that was animated by Korean Studio Mir (who have also worked on the final seasons of both Legend of Korra and the Boondocks in the past).

I got more "anime" feelings from DOTA than I did Castlevania, but I also consume more fantasy anime than the average person I think.

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[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 60 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Nikls94@lemmy.world 49 points 2 weeks ago
[-] brossman@infosec.pub 41 points 2 weeks ago

source of the image is Golden Boy, the dub is incredible

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago

I was just about to say "I seem to recognize this single frame, it's Golden Boy isn't it?" Lmao one of the best animes ever.

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[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 weeks ago

Meanwhile modern anime women

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 weeks ago

I’m not one to shame others for their appearance but groin hair extending to the outer hips is a bit odd.

[-] 0ops@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Mercuri@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

You're going to need to pick the hair out of your teeth afterwards.

[-] Mercuri@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I actually really love Birdie Wing.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago

Counterpoint: 1963 anime girl

[-] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

To be fair, the boy is the exact same shape, which I would describe as a weeble wobble with the limbs and head of a kewpie doll 😂

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Well, they are robots, so it makes sense!

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[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 15 points 2 weeks ago

I'd forgotten how much of a stranglehold Ryoko had on me as a youth until a few years back. The hyper possessive attitude was always very appealing to me. I think it only made me uncomfortable because it made Tenshi uncomfortable on the show. (When I was younger I had a difficult time realizing when I had a crush on people/characters.)

Ryoko from Tenshi

[-] Smoogs@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

I’ve only ever got into anime shows for their quirky story or character personality development.

Not once was it for the design or terrible animation. If I ever do refer to breathtaking anime it would be studio ghibli but that’s about it. And even given its age, today’s anime really can’t compare. They just wouldn’t put in the work like they once did.

Not surprised a lot of kids get deep into it and then drop it fast as they grow older. Cutesy wears off when that’s the only thing going for it. It gets annoying after a while.

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

The scope and ambition of certain animes like Legend of the Galactic Heroes and Berserk I can appreciate. I was never a weeb, but I barely watch any anime these days. My kids got me to watch Demon Hunter (which I've only seen like a single movie of and didn't see the point) and My Hero Academia which is also not my cup of tea.

Studio Ghibli is pretty good, though. I like the depth, but sometimes they are so abstract and ethereal that my brain decides I'm already asleep and I just nod off. It's usually worth it to watch a few times to try to get everything. Princess Mononoke was really a struggle. It's a great anime, but I had to watch it a good 6+ times before I could stay awake through it.

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[-] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

One of the reasons I turned towards manga more.
Cause its all this inbred focused grouped to hell and back pile of grey goo to me now.
Its all the same looking crap (for the most part) and I am not willing to treck the desert anymore to find the rate oasis.

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