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[-] dingus@lemmy.world 262 points 1 year ago

Why the hell would you spend $12k to update a rental property that you don't own? This is more like /c/midllydumbass

[-] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 year ago

I get it to some degree. It's hard renting for decades and not being able to improve where you live. If the person here thought they had a decent landlord and they'd still live there a decade from now, I think it can make sense.

[-] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The way to do it is to work in either a rent decrease for X months for the work and materials or lock in a low rent for X years based on the work being done.

Another alternative is to do the above and get the landlord to supply the materials.

I've done it in the past and it has worked out well though usually for minor things (like replacing generic doorknobs with nicer looking ones, replacing a toilet with a better flushing one, or installing a ceiling fan).

Adding insulation to the attic if it's missing in spots can also make sense to do if you're paying the utilities. Though again I would get the landlord to at a minimum to pay for materials or discount it from the rent.

If the upgrades are things that will help make the unit more marketable when you move out, then they'd be dumb to turn it down.

[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

yea you really want something on paper showing awareness and consent from the owner

[-] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Indeed. I did something like I mentioned above + we replaced the master bathroom carpet (yuck) with tiles for pretty cheap. In return we locked in a 1 year rent reduction to recoup our costs and 2 years at a low rate.

It worked out for everyone. We didn't have to live with disgusting bathroom carpets, the place looked nicer for the rest of our rental period, it let us save money to put a down payment on a house, and we didn't have the temptation to move to a "nicer looking" place and spend money and time on moving again.

In the end, the landlord got back a place that was more attractive to future renters.

The key is to ensure your landlord is a decent person (they exist). Ours only had the one house they were renting (used to be their house before they bought a new house in a better school district and decided to rent vs sell).

If it's a large holding company that is known to screw over tenants? Yeah fuck them, do the bare minimum and move out.

[-] bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Turns out, she's "never there" so, I'm assuming it's a second home. Like she goes to the area frequently enough that she doesn't want to deal with hotels. Makes this even dumber

https://twitter.com/eade_bengard/status/1696982908022739091?s=20

[-] TheMauveAvenger@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

She seems insufferable after scrolling through her feed.

[-] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 4 points 1 year ago

Nah she dumb

[-] Transcendant@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

My landlord served notice on me after 13 years, I'm moving home next month. He is a greedy little cunt, constantly tried to pressure me to refurbish his property for him despite me being the tenant. Last time I asked for a minor repair, he immediately notified the letting agent that he would be putting my rent up this coming October. Regardless, I agreed the new price, only to still be served notice on (I assume because he knows he can get a slightly higher rent by getting a brand new tenant in, rather than an increase).

Genuinely though I was tempted to do some redecorating. This is (for now) my home. It sucks living in a rundown home; the wallpaper / carpets in this house afaik are at least 25 years old. But when you get 'too demanding' then you suddenly find yourself out of a home.

[-] CryptoRoberto@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

That's capitalism. If you invest money you want a return. It's the entire system. Maintaining anything if not required goes against the whole ethos.

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A landlord was being shitty to someone and it was clear he wouldn't get his deposit back no matter what, so when the renter moved, he took everything. Meaning he unscrewed the plugs from the wall and took those with him, took the toilet seat and so on. Play stupid games, win stupid prices I guess.

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[-] Myrhial@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago

Not to this scale, but my partner's father has spent a fair bit of money doing upgrades and repairs that are technically for the landlord. However, I should note that the contract isn't registered, meaning the landlord cannot index the rent. This also makes it hard to hold the landlord responsible for doing any repairs. On the other hand, renter can't be held responsible for modifications either. So legally there is more freedom on either side. Thing is, the renter can always demand registration. But usually this means no renewal of the contract. It's very likely here the property would get sold and even if he brings up the money, it may be sold to someone else. So the short answer is really that people in poverty often don't know or don't dare to stand up for their rights and loopholes like this keep existing because you can get a cheaper rent on a building not up to standards.

[-] Izzy@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago

She could have used that $12k as part of a down payment on her own place.. what on earth is she thinking.

[-] EnglishMobster@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

Might've been financed on credit - but even still, it takes a lot more than $12k for a down payment.

Assuming the median price for a home is $500k, you'd need $100k for a traditional 20% down payment. Sure, $12k is 12% of the way there... but it's nowhere near what is needed for an actual down payment.

[-] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

You only need 1-5% down as a first time home buyer.

[-] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Also shop around for mortgage lenders (hint: credit unions) that will give you a break on the mortgage insurance if you put down at least 5% down.

[-] Bizarroland@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

There are also closing costs and other fees. I bought a house in 2020 using the native American home loan program.

I had to put down two and a quarter percent as a minimum and on a $500,000 house that should have been $11,250, but the total to close was actually a touch over 20 grand.

It took me several years to save up that money and it disappeared in a flash.

[-] Savaran@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

FHA loans need 3.5% last I checked. So her $12k wasn’t far off for a $500k dollar place. Yes they also require PMI for a bit, but better putting money into something that causes gains for yourself than for a landlord. As this article so clearly proves.

[-] arefx@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

It's not far off but in the current market someone will just offer more than you and you won't get it anyway.

[-] dan@upvote.au 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Or they offer all cash.

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[-] CryptoRoberto@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

You also need 2-6% for closing costs. People always ignore that.....

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[-] DigitalFrank@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Think about how stupid the average person is and realize half of them are stupider than that.

  • George Carlin
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[-] glad_cat 66 points 1 year ago

verbal consent

That’s a big mistake. He got $12k for free and will find people who will pay a higher rent.

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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 34 points 1 year ago

That's more facepalm, right?

Reminds me of this time in high school when we went bowling. Friend of mine spent $5 to shine the rented ball before he returned it.

[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Never, ever, ever do anything like this after verbal consent, especially if it involves this much money. Unless it's on paper, doing this makes you unbelievably fucking stupid

[-] keet@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Dealing with a landlord is just like dealing with HR at work - they aren't there for YOU. The tenant here wasn't stupid, just naive. Besides, from a liability standpoint, a tenant should NEVER do any property upgrades or repairs without some kind of written agreement (and hopefuly waiver of liability). If something goes wrong, guess who will be on the hook financially when it goes to court? Hint: The landlord turned plaintiff won't be it....

[-] wesker 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I find it mildly bewildering that someone would spend $12k updating a home they don't own.

[-] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Horrible. Now that the property is more valuable due to the upgrades the landlord knows they can charges a higher rent for it. The real mildly infuriating part is the fact that we as a society reward this behaviour. Sociopathic behaviour is actively encouraged under capitalism.

[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 4 points 1 year ago

Not even close to a sane take. If you look at the text exchange is clear it was done without the owner knowing. As an owner the renter could have cut all sorts of corners... you'd have to tear it all up just to even make sure its water sealed properly just so that your house doesn't rot the through because some rando renter made choices about your property. If your going to drop 12k on a reno of a bathroom... drop it on a down payment instead.

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[-] fear@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

Everyone is so busy insulting the tenant doing the upgrades when it's the landlord who behaved badly. If all we do is collectively blame victims when they get taken advantage of, society will crumble. This woman wasn't stupid, she just didn't have her guard up in preparation for the massive asshole who had power over her. There's a difference.

When you are trusting, you're called stupid. When you trust no one, you're called unreasonably cynical. They're two sides of the same victim blaming coin. Start blaming the actual problem: predators.

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago

Putting money into something you don’t own is stupid. Full stop.

Never put money into a rental.

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[-] dingus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I hate landlords as much as the next guy, but this is the stupidest thing ever. Would you also pay to deck out a rental car? No, you wouldn't because you're not the biggest dumbass on the planet.

Like other commenters have stated, there are technically reasons why and how this could work, but a casual verbal agreement ain't it, chief. Don't reward massive dumbassery with pity.

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[-] swan_pr@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

I agree that the landlord is a shitstain, but that tenant is not the best at decision making either. I can understand spending a couple of hundreds if it makes your life better, but she basically handed over a 12k check to that landlord. I can't see any good reason to do this.

[-] fear@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Renting isn't the greatest decision, either. You're throwing money at a landlord and gaining zero equity. People often do it because it's that or homelessness. These systems are in place to take advantage of people who aren't the best decision makers. Just because they can be taken advantage of... should they be? Or should we be better than this and revamp how we house people so that it isn't a massive scam with the opportunity for extra side scams like we see here?

If the landlord wasn't a massive dick, they both could have benefited from this situation. She'd have the renovated bathroom she wanted, and the landlord knew his property was being taken care of without even needing to lift a finger. Instead he got greedy, and rather than blame the greedy jerk people want to jump on the "stupid" victim. Except it's not her fault her landlord was a prick.

[-] dingus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Renting can sometimes be more advantageous than owning. You don't have to pay for maintenance and you have the ability to pick up and move a lot easier.

I own now, and even though I own a very small condo and was able to put enough money down so that I don't have to pay mortgage insurance...owning has been more expensive per month than renting for me... I get that it's not always this way, but right now everything is shit for everyone.

[-] fear@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

True. Back when I rented it was a good situation because my rent was dirt cheap and I was able to save money. Seems those days are long gone with rentals sometimes being double or triple what a mortgage payment would be.

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[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Dude just cross post the source link, don't link to another post. That fucks up users from other instances by pulling them into a web browser for another instance. Lemmy will provide cross post links to other threads.

[-] paholg@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As fucked as that is, what fucking eviction notice gives 3 days to vacate? That can't be legal, can it?

Edit: Looking closer, I see that this is in Texas. And evidently 3 days is all they have to give there. Insane.

https://guides.sll.texas.gov/landlord-tenant-law/eviction-process

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[-] Sused 10 points 1 year ago

She's an idiot. I understand the outrage, but she's an idiot.

[-] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

My parents made this mistake twice. They were unable to afford their own place and asked the landlord if they were interested in moving back in.

Both times the landlords said no, so my parents made small improvements to the places (replacing carpets, repainting, general upkeep/improvements), but never 12k worth.

Still, both times the landlords kicked us to the curb (so they could move back in) and we had to move. The 3rd time they were finally able to afford their own place.

[-] secret301@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Ducking dumbass

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