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[–] nightsky@awful.systems 31 points 5 days ago (9 children)

I need to rant about yet another SV tech trend which is getting increasingly annoying.

It's something that is probably less noticeable if you live in a primarily English-speaking region, but if not, there is this very annoying thing that a lot of websites from US tech companies do now, which is that they automatically translate content, without ever asking. So English is pretty big on the web, and many English websites are now auto-translated to German for me. And the translations are usually bad. And by that I mean really fucking bad. (And I'm not talking about the translation feature in webbrowsers, it's the websites themselves.)

Small example of a recent experience: I was browsing stuff on Etsy, and Etsy is one of the websites which does this now. Entire product pages with titles and descriptions and everything is auto-translated, without ever asking me if I want that.

On a product page I then saw:

Material: gefühlt

This was very strange... because that makes no sense at all. "Gefühlt" is a form (participle) of the verb "fühlen", which means "to feel". It can be used in a past tense form of the verb.

So, to make sense of this you first have to translate that back to English, the past tense "to feel" as "felt". And of course "felt" can also mean a kind of fabric (which in German is called "Filz"), so it's a word with more than one meaning in English. You know, words with multiple meanings, like most words in any language. But the brilliant SV engineers do not seem to understand that you cannot translate words without the context they're in.

And this is not a singular experience. Many product descriptions on Etsy are full of such mistakes now, sometimes to the point of being downright baffling. And Ebay does the same now, and the translated product titles and descriptions are a complete shit show as well.

And Youtube started replacing the audio of English videos by default with AI-auto-generated translations spoken by horrible AI voices. By default! It's unbearable. At least there's a button to switch back to the original audio, but I keep having to press it. And now Youtube Shorts is doing it too, except that the YT Shorts video player does not seem to have any button to disable it at all!

Is it that unimaginable for SV tech that people speak more than one language? And that maybe you fucking ask before shoving a horribly bad machine translation into people's faces?

[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 6 points 3 days ago

Ooooh that would explain a similarly weird interaction I had on a ticket-selling website, buying a streaming ticket to a live show for the German retro game discussion podcast Stay Forever: they translated the title of the event as “Bleib für immer am Leben”, guess they named it “Stay Forever Live”? No way to know for sure, of course.

[–] HedyL@awful.systems 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Is it that unimaginable for SV tech that people speak more than one language? And that maybe you fucking ask before shoving a horribly bad machine translation into people’s faces?

This really gets on my nerves too. They probably came up with the idea that they could increase time spent on their platforms and thus revenue by providing more content in their users' native languages (especially non-English). Simply forcing it on everyone, without giving their users a choice, was probably the cheapest way to implement it. Even if this annoys most of their user base, it makes their investors happy, I guess, at least over the short term. If this bubble has shown us anything, it is that investors hardly care whether a feature is desirable from the users' point of view or not.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 11 points 4 days ago

if it's opt-out, it also keeps use of the shitty ai dubbing high thus making it an artficial use case. it's like with gemini counting every google search as single use of it

Click here if you want a horribly bad translation in your faceA screenshot of a food delivery website advertising some chicken nuggets called 'chicken pops' that cost 195 rupees. However the item description is the medical definition of chickenpox, the virus, instead.

From Reddit

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 10 points 5 days ago

Is it that unimaginable for SV tech that people speak more than one language? And that maybe you fucking ask before shoving a horribly bad machine translation into people’s faces?

Considering how many are Trump bros, they probably consider getting consent to be Cuck Shit^tm^ and treat hearing anything but English as sufficient grounds to call ICE.

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago

btw I noticed that Etsy is not actually in SV, so the problem is bigger than that.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I found out about that too when I arrived at Reddit and it was translated to Swedish automatically.

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago

Yes, right, Reddit too! Forgot that one. When I visit there I use alternative Reddit front-ends now which luckily spare me from this.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 5 days ago

Ah, im not the only one, yes very annoying. I wonder if there isn't also a setting they can ask the browsers about the users preferred language usage. Like how you can change languages on a windows install and some installers/etc follow that preferred language.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 7 points 5 days ago

An underappreciated 8th-season Star Trek: TNG episode where Data tries to get closer to humanity by creating an innovative new metamaterial out of memories of past emotions

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

aliexpress did that since forever but you can just set display language once and you're done. these ai-dubs are probably worst so far but can be turned off by uploader (it's opt-out) (for now)

[–] hrrrngh@awful.systems 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sanders why https://gizmodo.com/bernie-sanders-reveals-the-ai-doomsday-scenario-that-worries-top-experts-2000628611

Sen. Sanders: I have talked to CEOs. Funny that you mention it. I won’t mention his name, but I’ve just gotten off the phone with one of the leading experts in the world on artificial intelligence, two hours ago.

. . .

Second point: This is not science fiction. There are very, very knowledgeable people—and I just talked to one today—who worry very much that human beings will not be able to control the technology, and that artificial intelligence will in fact dominate our society. We will not be able to control it. It may be able to control us. That’s kind of the doomsday scenario—and there is some concern about that among very knowledgeable people in the industry.

taking a wild guess it's Yudkowsky. "very knowledgeable people" and "many/most experts" is staying on my AI apocalypse bingo sheet.

even among people critical of AI (who don't otherwise talk about it that much), the AI apocalypse angle seems really common and it's frustrating to see it normalized everywhere. though I think I'm more nitpicking than anything because it's not usually their most important issue, and maybe it's useful as a wedge issue just to bring attention to other criticisms about AI? I'm not really familiar with Bernie Sanders' takes on AI or how other politicians talk about this. I don't know if that makes sense, I'm very tired

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 11 points 4 days ago

Not surprised. Making Hype and Criti-hype the two poles of the public debate has been effective in corralling people who get that there is something wrong with the "AI" into Criti-hype. And politicians needs to be generalists so the trap is easy to spring.

Still, always a pity when people who should know better fall into it.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

found on reddit. posted without further comment

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 10 points 5 days ago

Shot-in-the-dark prediction here - the Xbox graphics team probably won't be filling those positions any time soon.

As a sidenote, part of me expects more such cases to crop up in the following months, simply because the widespread layoffs and enshittification of the entire tech industry is gonna wipe out everyone who cares about quality.

[–] self@awful.systems 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

404media posted an article absolutely dunking on the idea of pivoting to AI, as one does:

media executives still see AI as a business opportunity and a shiny object that they can tell investors and their staffs that they are very bullish on. They have to say this, I guess, because everything else they have tried hasn’t worked

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

We—yes, even you—are using some version of AI, or some tools that have LLMs or machine learning in them in some way shape or form already

Fucking ghastly equivocation. Not just between "LLMs" and "machine learning", but between opening a website that has a chatbot icon I never click and actually wasting my time asking questions to the slop machine.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 10 points 5 days ago

This is pure speculation, but I suspect machine learning as a field is going to tank in funding and get its name dragged through the mud by the popping of the bubble, chiefly due to its (current) near-inability to separate itself from AI as a concept.

[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It’s distressingly pervasive: autocorrect, speech recognition (not just in voice assistants, in accessibility tools), image correction in mobile cameras, so many things that are on by default and “helpful”

[–] istewart@awful.systems 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Apparently, for some corporate customers, Outlook has automatically turned on AI summaries as a sidebar in the preview pane for inbox messages. No, nobody I've talked to finds this at all helpful.

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[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It feels like gang initiation for insufferable dorks

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The curl Bug Bounty is getting flooded with slop, and the security team is prepared to do something drastic to stop it. Going by this specific quote, reporters falling for the hype is a major issue:

As a lot of these reporters seem to genuinely think they help out, apparently blatantly tricked by the marketing of the AI hype-machines, it is not certain that removing the money from the table is going to completely stop the flood. We need to be prepared for that as well. Let’s burn that bridge if we get to it.

[–] yellowcake@awful.systems 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Reading through some of the examples at the end of the article it’s infuriating when these slop reports have opened and when the patient curl developers try to give them benefit of the doubt the reporter replies with “you have a vulnerability and I cannot explain further since I’m not an expert”. Oh but for sure it’s broken and you are expert enough to know? One of the examples the reporter kept replying with how a strcpy() could be unsafe and the curl devs were kindly explaining that yes in general that function has potential for issues but their usage was not such a case. Reporter just repeats without paying attention. Insanity.

I love working in systems writing C and assembly but I’ve grown many gray hairs over the years being yelled at that “C is the worst” or “lol memory bug” or the classic “this thing isn’t working perfectly for me so it must have been written in C and we need to rewrite it entirely in (alpha) language which is for sure better than the collective centuries of expertise in C existing now”. These LLMs sure do amplify these obnoxious voices because now the fancy chatbot says so.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Reading through some of the examples at the end of the article it’s infuriating when these slop reports have opened and when the patient curl developers try to give them benefit of the doubt the reporter replies with “you have a vulnerability and I cannot explain further since I’m not an expert”

At that point, I feel the team would be justified in telling these slop-porters to go fuck themselves and closing the report - they've made it crystal clear they're beyond saving.

(And on a wider note, I suspect the security team is gonna be a lot less willing to give benefit of the doubt going forward, considering the slop-porters are actively punishing them for doing so)

[–] yellowcake@awful.systems 6 points 4 days ago

It’s unfortunate that the bug bounty payout removal is probably the best immediate remedy for some filtering but with curl being everywhere resume padders are still going to rush to generate slop reports or patches. I hope they are more fast and direct with communication as well. Their current patience and politeness is admirable.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 26 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Yud:

ChatGPT has already broken marriages, and hot AI girls are on track to remove a lot of men from the mating pool.

And suddenly I realized that I never want to hear a Rationalist say the words "mating pool".

(I fired up xcancel to see if any of the usual suspects were saying anything eminently sneerable. Yudkowsky is re-xitting Hanania and some random guy who believes in g. Maybe he should see if the Pioneer Fund will bankroll publicity for his new book....)

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 19 points 5 days ago

Good news for women, less risk of the pool needing to be drained because someone crapped in it again.

[–] shapeofquanta@lemmy.vg 18 points 5 days ago

hot AI girls are on track to remove a lot of men from the mating pool

Can’t remove them if they were never in it.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 16 points 5 days ago

hot AI girls are on track to remove a lot of men from the mating pool.

Wasn't the "problem" that there's too many men in the mating pool and women are "alphamaxxing" or whatever the fuck to get the highest quality dick? Shouldn't this be a good thing for incels like Hanania.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 14 points 5 days ago

mating pool

probably on par with the other stuff you might see at a rationalist poly compound

[–] fasterandworse@awful.systems 13 points 5 days ago

My new video about the anti-design of the tech industry where I talk about this little passage from an ACM article that set me off when I found it a few years back.

In short, before software started eating all the stuff "design" meant something. It described a process of finding the best way to satisfy a purpose. It was a response to the purpose.

The tech industry takes computation as being an immutable means and finds purposes it may satisfy. The purpose is a response to the tech.

p.s. sorry to spam. :)

vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ollyMSWSWOY pod: https://pnc.st/s/faster-and-worse/8ffce464/tech-as-anti-design

threads bsky: https://bsky.app/profile/fasterandworse.com/post/3ltwles4hkk2t masto: https://hci.social/@fasterandworse/114852024025529148

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 14 points 5 days ago

New high-strength sneer from Matthew Hughes: The Biggest Insult, targeting "The Unspeakable Contempt At The Heart of Generative AI"

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Found an unironic AI bro in the wild on Bluesky:

You want my unsolicited thoughts on the line between man and machine, I feel this bubble has done more to clarify that line then to blur it, both by showcasing the flaws and limitations inherent to artificial intelligence, and by highlighting the aspects of human minds which cannot be replicated.

I'm not comfortable saying that consciousness and subjectivity can't in principle be created in a computer, but I think one element of what this whole debate exposes is that we have basically no idea what actions makes consciousness happen or how to define and identify that happening. Chatbots have always challenged the Turing test because they showcase how much we tend to project consciousness into anything that vaguely looks like it (interesting parallel to ancient mythologies explaining the whole world through stories about magic people). The current state of the art still fails at basic coherence over shockingly small amounts of time and complexity, and even when it holds together it shows a complete lack of context and comprehension. It's clear that complete-the-sentence style pattern recognition and reproduction can be done impressively well in a computer and that it can get you farther than I would have thought in language processing, at least imitatively. But it's equally clear that there's something more there and just scaling up your pattern-maximizer isn't going to replicate it.

[–] Seminar2250@awful.systems 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

thinking about how often code will be like

[-1] * len(array) # -1 is a place holder because I don't know the vocabulary term "sentinel value"

and justified because "it just needs to work"

and now we have professional vibe coders

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anguish

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Haven't really kept up with the pseudo-news of VC funded companies acquiring each other, but it seems Windsurf (previously been courted by OpenAI) is now gonna be purchased by the bros behind Devin.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 12 points 5 days ago

Previously sneered:

The context for this essay is serious, high-stakes communication: papers, technical blog posts, and tweet threads.

More recently, in the comments:

After reading your comments and @Jiro 's below, and discussing with LLMs on various settings, I think I was too strong in saying....

It's like watching people volunteer for a lobotomy.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 12 points 5 days ago (3 children)

nasb, new torres piece out, promising title and opening

(I’ll have to read it after done with my present other currency-related diversions. old-man-shakes-fist-at-cloud.gif)

[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I like his new framing of the accelerationists and transhumanists as pro-extinctionists.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I like how quoting Grimes lyrics makes the banality of these people thuddingly clear.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 10 points 5 days ago

I wanna be software The best design Infinite princess Computer mind

Substituting this for the text whenever I see Sammy Boy say something again

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