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[–] GhostFace@lemmy.today 2 points 12 minutes ago

As someone that finished a couple of years ago it was already becoming that way then.

This didn't mean that people weren't learning but they were getting lazy. The AI detection isn't good enough because a lot of people are willing to write their papers through the AI in pieces and check that, since it's still faster than doing it yourself in most cases.

It's becoming this weird cycle. It's expected that you'll use AI anyway, that you'll be discriminated against for it, that professionals are going to try to use it to cut down on their work once hired, that HR is going to use it in the hiring process. So no one sees a reason not to use it.

[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 2 points 1 hour ago

This was painful

[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 5 points 2 hours ago

Slacker.

I routinely wrote more than 10 pages in handwritten passages just to play a game. Indeed I still do. Without any degenerative AI in sight. (Because nobody's crammed an LLMbecile into my fountain pens yet.)

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I'm so sad. People are becoming so reliant on AI that they can't write (nor read) more than one sentence

[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 1 points 7 minutes ago

This needs more upvotes :)

[–] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

10 pages hand written in cursive in 1982.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Ugh, while I'm glad I got to see the world before computers were everywhere, I don't envy people who had to handwrite all their papers, nor teachers who had to grade those reports.

Were typewriters cheap enough that most students had them, or did they have "typing rooms" the same way schools set up computer labs? Or was handwriting just the norm even after typewriters were ubiquitous? Maybe in HS it was common but surely college profs couldn't be fucked with handwriting for the most part?

[–] Infrapink@thebrainbin.org 1 points 3 minutes ago

I got my degree in 2008. All my exams were handwritten (but fortunately I didn't have to write 10 pages per question, which is good as I physically can't write that much in the time allotted). I did at least get to type my undergraduate thesis.

[–] shoo@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

I once had a professor who claimed she passed a high level language course without attending a class or studying it. She was fluent in an adjacent Romance language and knew a little of some other overlapping languages. Basically walked in to the final and got a C+ on cognates alone.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

When I was at a party in college a friend was bumming the vibes because he had an English paper due the following Monday and he was stressed out.

I asked him what the topic was and it was any play studied in the course. I asked him which play he knew best and if I recall correctly it was The Importance of Being Earnest.

I chatted with him for a bit, asked him why he liked the play, what it meant to him, what parts he thought were most important, and what he thought was the ultimate point Wilde was making.

After about a half hour I wrote the outline on the back of a placemat.

Intro: state what point your essay will ultimately try to make, and summarize how you'll get there (1 page).

For each "way" that you'll get there, write three paragraphs: your point, what in the text supports your point, and how that point supports the thesis in the intro. (1.5-2 pages).

Do that for each of the four "ways". (6-8 pages total)

Explain why those dozen paragraphs illustrate and support the claims you made in the introduction.

Suffice it to say, the party roared on, he likely wasn't able to think on Saturday but on Sunday I guess he did a pretty good job of bullshitting his way to nine single spaced pages, and he got a B, which was above average for him in that class.

That structure, intro, points, references, supports statements, conclusion, can literally be blown out into a thesis or even a book, as long as you have a clear idea of what you're trying to say and how you intend to back it up, and you can write coherent (dare to dream, interesting!) prose to explain everything in between.

What people are missing is that that process is actually fun. Trying to figure out how you can make a point in an interesting way that is backed up by references that you can argue in support on your point is actually interesting and fun, you just have to stop thinking about why you can't/won't and just throw yourself at it.

[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 2 points 2 hours ago

This right here. I like writing things down. I like shaping ideas in my head so that they come out on paper before me. I like that feeling of accomplishment.

[–] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I wrote 10 pages single spaced by accident after failing to read an instruction that asked for double spacing. Writing that much about intercellular communication 25 years ago took flipping weeks at the library

[–] glibg10b@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I guess they didn't have search and replace back then?

[–] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Well, there was also the reading. It was a computer terminal system to find items, but you often needed a few return trips if things were in use

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 83 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (6 children)

One of my greatest academic achievements was a very long, in-depth research paper that was assigned on the first day of the semester and due on the last. "Don't put it off until the end," our teacher warned us, "because you won't be able to finish this in a couple of hours. You should be doing a little bit of work on it every week." It was to be deeply-researched, extensively endnoted, and (if I recall correctly) fifty pages long, single-spaced, 10pt.

Except I had a full-time job throughout college, and that semester my schedule found me going to work immediately after that (morning) class, both days, every week. By the time I was off work, the thought of that assignment had left my undiagnosed ADHD brain entirely. The semester melted away like the cotton candy in that raccoon video.

And suddenly the last day of class was approaching. I requested the prior day off of work, figuring that I'd work the whole day on it. Only I made a mistake: I hadn't requested the day before it was due. I had requested the day it was due. I'd be working four full days of work, with classes (and at least one early final exam), and then the paper would be due, and only after that would I have the day to write it.

But you do what you have to, and when you're 19 years old, the vagaries of time and sleep seem almost meaningless to you. I was going to get off work at 6pm, which was 14½ hours before the assignment was due. My university had a 24-hour computer lab, which was good, as it was 2004 and I didn't have internet in my apartment (how did I ever live like that?).

So I went home, ate a quick dinner, and went to school, locking myself into the computer lab at 8:00pm. When I poked my head out the door at 7:30am, the sun was bright and the air slightly crisp; and I held 52 freshly-printed pages in my hand. I was done early (technically) and had beaten the page count (also technically). I felt like I had beaten the Water Temple in Ocarina of Time. I ate breakfast to supplement the copious amounts of Nutty Bars and soda I had consumed overnight, and then I turned the paper in; and as class that morning was "optional," I opted to go home, where I discovered that perhaps time was not so vague at all, nor sleep, and I went unconscious for the rest of the morning and a decent chunk of the afternoon.

A week later, I got my grades back. At that point in any semester I was always beyond caring about how well I had scored, but I looked anyway out of curiosity.

"Well done!" she had written in the notes. "I can tell you really put a lot of time into this. 95/100"

I mean, technically she was right, I had put a lot of time into it: the 11½ hours immediately leading up to my turning it in, to be precise.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 34 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

The semester melted away like the cotton candy in that raccoon video.

Source:

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago

This always kills me when I see this. The raccoon and opossum that basically has made a home in my garage....with my fat ass garage cat, loves to take the cat food that, said fat ass doesn't finish during the day, and put it in the water....every single morning, I'm having to clean it cause the racoon loves to eat his food soaked to mush. Still love the little shit when I occasionally catch him in the evening laying around in the garage, like he's trash panda hut.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

don't worry gentle reader they gave him another one

[–] msage@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago

Do you have a longer version?

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

That look on his face is exactly how I felt.

[–] Butiki@mander.xyz 10 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Geez I felt that in my bones... I'm SO glad my days of undiagnosed ADHD and assignments are long and gone, but your story stirred up some anxiety responses, from the sediment of my mind. Yuck! And well done! 95/100 ✔️

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you for the kind words, especially from amid the anxiety sludge! Honestly, I think every graduating senior should be given a psychiatric exam, just so they know and don't have to wait until they're 35 and maxed out their deductible for the year to get tested.

[–] Butiki@mander.xyz 2 points 4 hours ago

Ugh I couldn't imagine how that's like, but I sympathise!Thankfully I'm from one of those "socialist" nordic countries, where healthcare is free, or rather, collectively payed for through taxes. Even my current medication is more or less free. I get 95% of my dexamphetamines subsidies through the system. Honestly I'll gladly pay ~50% in tax, when I'm covered like that!

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 55 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

People were writing 10+ page reports before computers. Writing shit by hand.

[–] El_Scapacabra@lemmy.zip 10 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

Hey, we got a typewriter at some point, it didn't help much with having to start the whole page over every time you made a mistake, but it did get the teachers off my back about my terrible handwriting so that was nice.

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[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 12 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I did a twenty page "research" paper for philosophy the night before having read one page from the dude. And got a b+

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago

Oh I had a 1-1 presentation with the professor for a philosophy class and he wanted us to present one point from one author, capture the point in five minutes or less, and survive ten minutes of cross examination. This guy was a real shark too, not only was he known to be very sharp and super cutting with his critiques, he was the kind of guy who would force a class of forty people to sit a presentation in his office for twenty minutes each so he could avoid correcting term papers.

I chose Marshall McLuhan and spoke for maybe three minutes and why his assertion that "the medium is the message" is true because the invention of email made it unacceptable for a company with a branch in Toronto and one in Montreal to communicate by horseback, so the expected pace of business was irrevocably changed. Email is only "amazing" for a couple of days, then it's a fact that dictates expectations, and so, what you communicate by email is of much less consequence in the long run than the deep change in corporate culture that email causes. That was the core of McLuhan's point.

Got an A+ for that one, and was out of his office and on my way in less than ten minutes.

Marshall McLuhan's was the only work I read of all the assignments in that entire class.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 hours ago

The Dude abides.

[–] quarkquasar@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I had an ethics class in college where we had to write a 10-page capstone paper for part of the final.

The teacher wrote an outline and description for what she wanted, and encouraged everyone to work on it for a few hours a week to make sure they finished it on time.

I waited until the last day of class, banged it out in about an hour and a half, and submitted it around 15 minutes before it was finally due.

Got an A, with a comment about how great the work was. Kids these days.

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 104 points 18 hours ago (9 children)

Just weakness. Everyone knows you write your term paper starting less than 24 hours before the deadline and crank out a fully realized thesis made out of nothing but energy drinks and Adderall

[–] pseudo@jlai.lu 5 points 10 hours ago

Not every one is like that! Some of us start on the very day they get the assignment, work on it for a good hour, then without a fail every week stress about it for a whole afternoon until finishing the paper on the due day.

[–] RustyShackleford@piefed.social 39 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Ah… I remember these days, being in a somewhat nervous caffeine induced psychosis, typing in an haughty fervor and writing 20+ pages with unmerited arrogance and barely an ounce of fear. Printing it out before it’s due and feeling like I pulled off an Ocean’s theft after managing a 93%.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 15 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Slaming monster until my heart feels funny, but that GPA isn't going to keep itself up

[–] RustyShackleford@piefed.social 10 points 12 hours ago

I can remember the dizzy feeling, like the room was spinning like it was yesterday lol.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 16 points 15 hours ago

You guys had Adderall?

We just ate spoonfulls of instant coffee and ground our teeth into little bumps.

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[–] eyelevel@lemmy.world 17 points 13 hours ago

Shit, I'll write a 10 page paper as an internet reply to a topic I'm only just finding out about.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 9 points 12 hours ago

Bro I was writing 10+ page papers in Jr High

[–] Miller@lemmy.world 38 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

We used to knock out ten pages at four in the morning without punctuation.

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[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 13 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (5 children)

I tried reading Infinite Jest for the first time.

In a pre-LLM world, this kind of word waffling nonsense would seem impressive, but as someone who picked it up to see what it's about in a post-LLM world.... I have few good things to say about this style of pointless writing.

It's something that I used to excel at too: a long litany of rhythmically satisfying prose that showcased your penchant for picking out the perfect words to soothe the literary soul whilst saying absolutely nothing at the same time.

Then I learned how to write to clear English, and realised that I valued plot over filler most of all in a story.

I'm sorry, Mr Wallace, I just can't read your book any more.

[–] RustyEarthfire@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

I'd argue that Infinite Jest is more relevant than ever. Perhaps its boring how much his prescient world resembles our own, with its everlasting entertainment feeds, overwhelming sponsorship of every aspect of life, nuclear proliferation, quiet desperation, and quieter hope.

The out-of-order telling definitely obscures the plot(s), but they are there. And like many of the author's choices, this structure stands in stark contrast to an LLM's output. While an LLM always outputs the most likely next token, Infinite Jest refuses to be predictable. While a slop feeder just slurps whatever shows up in the trough, a Jest reader cannot idly consume, but must actively interact to receive any fulfillment.

Far from wankish performatism, the book deals with heavy themes including depression, drug addiction/recovery, and suicide. These were sadly demonstrated to be very personally familiar themes to the author.

And it's an interesting, colorful world with bits that just stick with you, from "cartographic rearrangement" to the game of eschaton, to those crazy French Canadians jumping tracks at the last moment (and their leader chosen because he timed his jump so perfectly he lost his legs but lived).

I'm not sure the juice is worth the squeeze, and wouldn't recommend it to someone who doesn't want to read an esoteric 1000-page tome with chapter-long endnotes-of-endnotes-of-endnotes. But those who labor to crack this pomegranate will still enjoy many a plump pip.

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[–] lectricleopard@lemmy.world 28 points 17 hours ago (8 children)

I remember for my senior project in college having done so much work that documenting it at the end resulted in like 30 pages. That was without stetching it. I didn't want to spend any more time than necessary at that point. Kids these days...

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