187
trans saw (hexbear.net)
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] alexandra_kollontai@hexbear.net 78 points 1 year ago

This is actually so true. This is the realest thing. Before my physical transition, pronoun circles were so harmful to me thanks to experiencing the scenario in the OP, and now at this point, I don't care about them at all. But they have never been helpful to me.

I agree that other people will surely find it helpful if they wish to share their own pronouns; and they are also useful for creating an atmosphere of acceptance to make me feel more comfortable; but they do more harm than good when a person is forced to answer like in the situation in the OP. It hurts.

Cis people, here is how to do it: Feel free to present your own pronouns to convey an atmosphere of acceptance and reassurance, either verbally or in a signature/username/bio, but do not ask other people for their pronouns unless you actually really need to know. You only need to know if you are talking about the person to a third party.

It is also extremely performative and annoying when cis people only do the pronoun circle when there is a visibly trans person in the room. It's infantilising. Either you always offer your pronouns because you want to, or you never offer your pronouns because you don't want to.

Disclaimer: This is the humble onion of just one trans person and I don't respresent everybody.

[-] WithoutFurtherRelay@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

What about a desk with a sign that says “(OPTIONAL) pronoun stickers”

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

damn this reminds me of that one time in college when i was boymoding and they were doing a round about on pronouns and fuckin EVERYONE in the class turned around to look what i said. they didnt do that to anyone else 💀

[-] alexandra_kollontai@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

noooooooooooooo 🫥

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] RION@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

me when every job asks me to self identify my gender ohnoes

[-] MYWNcWR9Rgc31zkhTOsA@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago
[-] RION@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

ya that's what i answer each time. Still, I know they say it's not supposed to affect your chances of getting hired, but...

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago

I had to do this at a fucking PARTY once. This person who decided she was event coordinator for drinking in someone's apartment had us all sit in a circle and give our pronouns, a fact about ourself and our celebrity crush. Deeply painful moment, mostly cause it was cringe af for me. Ice breakers do the opposite.

[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 45 points 1 year ago

The first days of uni this year were the best for me because everyone referred to me using female pronouns, like one professor took 3 weeks to stop calling me "madmoizelle" and even a guy who I went to kindergarten with took a full minute to recognize me, and one time some girl apologized to me like this "hey dude... oh sorry you're a girl nvm" (it was in arabic), it was nice but after a while of me getting into depression and not being able to take care of my looks I no longer get called anything.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

did you grow up in algeria? id love to pick your brain on trans experiences there, havent been able to talk to any trans people about algeria or north africa in general (if this is too forward lmk)

[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago

I have issues in speech, I'd rather you ask very specific questions and I'd answer

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

would you prefer dms?

[-] RION@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

The virgin "giving every pronoun variation"

Vs

The Chad "giving the first two or just 'X series' because you can easily intuit the rest unless they're stated otherwise"

Once you get to the fourth (and arguably the third) you're just playin with yourself

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] Azarova@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

only cis people include the possessive pronoun

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ive seen people with neopronouns do it often because otherwise you might just not know what it is

[-] Azarova@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

That's definitely fair, I should've clarified. Whenever I see She/Her/Hers or He/Him/His, 99% the time they're cis.

load more comments (4 replies)
[-] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Hey trans comrades, I got a question as a CIS. I work with teenagers and there's a decent amount of them that are trans or simply non conforming to CIS stereotypical looks. I substitute teach, so I usually don't know the names of students.

I've made a mistake before of needing to get a kid's attention and saying "excuse me young man/young lady" or "excuse me miss" or something like that. And they turn around and I've misgendered them. What's a gender neutral way to get the attention of someone that I can start using instead of gendered words?

[-] Cromalin@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago

if you type cis in all caps it makes it sound like you're referring to the group lead by the treacherous count dooku and not people who feel comfortable as their agab

also repeating what others say. try describing clothing, location, some physical attributes

[-] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Sorry my brain autocorrects to all caps cis because I do, in fact, type often about the Confederacy of Independent Systems.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

if you type cis in all caps it makes it sound like you're referring to the group lead by the treacherous count dooku

To be fair, as a cis guy we do be doing that

[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

If you're age 25-35 and your inner circle isn't discussing the threacherous Count Dooku

[-] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Yes I'm exactly that guy. Dudes rock.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

"hey kid" in your oldest grandpa voice

[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

The only proper way to address children

[-] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

How do you do fellow school children?

[-] ScrewdriverFactoryFactoryProvider@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Some more terminology nitpicking and then I promise I have something more substantive. Everyone’s pointed out that “CIS” should be lowercase and isn’t an acronym. I personally just took it as emphasis. But more importantly, it’s an adjective, not a noun. You’re not a cis. You are cis. It matters because referring to someone as a trans is generally seen as offensive. Either they’re trans or they’re a trans person.

And the language you’re looking for when talking about whether someone is “non conforming to CIS stereotypical looks” is that they’re “gender non-conforming”, which isn’t really about someone’s gender identity, but about their gender presentation. So cis people can be gender nonconforming and trans people can present as gender conforming. In fact, most trans people I know present pretty in line with a binary gender. Although, it’s been my experience that this is less common with teens in general, both cis and trans, and I know trans self-identification is higher among teens.

So I think in addition to all this, just minimizing gendered language with your students in general will be helpful. From experience, it involves a lot of thinking about the intention of what you’re saying and replacing the shorthand with the intention. So instead of “excuse me, miss”, you can say, “excuse me, I need some help” or “excuse me, this is silent time”. If someone isn’t responding, “can you get her attention?” could be replaced with “a tap on the shoulder would be appreciated”. It can be hard and not always immediately doable, but the habit is more important than any individual instance.

There’s also the issue of what to do when you do misgender someone. It’s common for people to panic and sputter and just generally not know what to do, which can be worse than the misgendering itself. Point of reference, it’s like forgetting someone’s name. It’s rude, but you apologize and move on. That’s all.

[-] blakeus12@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

cis: not trans

CIS: THE CONFEDERACY OF INDEPENDENT SYSTEMS

[-] grendahlgrendahlgen@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Nitpick to your nitpick: cis is an adjective (descriptor), not a verb (action).

Fixed. Thanks, my brain broke for a sec blob-no-thoughts

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

If I do misgender or deadname someone I'm usually chill about correcting myself and in my experience students were chill about correcting me.

Thank you for the in depth comment, I really don't know why I put cis in all caps. I know it's from a prefix. But yeah in general I'll work on de-gendering my language.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What about “excuse me, you in the red hoodie there”? Something describing clothing, hair color, etc?

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

When I substitute taught I went off what said student was wearing 'ex you in the yellow shirt' assuming there's no uniform, if there was then I would tap their desk or just walk up to them and get attention. Usually direct is best anyway. I hated when the roster would be outdated so you could end up accidentally deadnaming students and get everyone off to a bad start, going by lastname helped but it might set a weird tone.

[-] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

I'm looking forward to being a full teacher because once I learn students names this won't be a problem.

[-] FanonFan@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Go with "champ", "kiddo", "bucko" if you want them to be upset for a different reason

[-] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

"Sport" is non gendered if a say it with a "shhh" emphasis, right?

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Have a bag of rocks with you at all times and throw them at whoever you wish to address.

[-] Orannis62@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

First off, fyi, cis isn't an acronym.

This can honestly be kinda hard because there aren't a lot of nongendered terms for this, and those that do exist would definitely feel othering in this context (in the same way that being the only person asked your pronouns in like a larger introductory context is othering). My thought would be to just use some (neutral! Be careful about that part!) physical descriptions, like "excuse me, student with the black hair". Otherwise, maybe you can make a loud noise (e.g. drop a textbook on your desk) and then get that person's attention specifically when they (and others) look? Otherwise physically go over and tap their shoulder.

None of those solutions are perfect and all of them are obviously contextual, but it's what I got

[-] lilypad@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Only one way to address unknown children

kai-my-child

[-] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

"cis" should be lower case. it's not an acronym, it's a latin prefix meaning "on the same side." Anyway, just say "excuse me." It's not like the direct address makes it more clear, given it isn't their name.

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Well, you could use second person pronouns (eg. you/your) or use a noun like "youth"...

Idk, I'm out of ideas...

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

For younger people, I've made extensive use of "kiddo" and "champ". But I do wish we had a proper gender neutral pronoun in English, if for no other reason than I'm constantly fucking up and misgendering people in my online D&D server, and its getting very embarrassing.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)
[-] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

I had to do this in college and I opted to leave it blank the first time I saw it in a humanities class after a great deal of inner turmoil, I was too scared of outing myself and all the consequences.

[-] Jourei@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

Any pronouns 🙌

[-] largerfather@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

michael scott kissing oscar

Anyone else have different preferences depending on the context? Among trans friends, they’ll throw in some neos for me. Among cis friends, he/they is comfy. For anyone else, they/them strictly because you just can’t behave.

load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 02 Nov 2023
187 points (99.5% liked)

traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns

992 readers
170 users here now

Welcome to /c/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns, an anti-capitalist meme community for transgender and gender diverse people.

  1. Please follow the Hexbear Code of Conduct

  2. Selfies are not permitted for the personal safety of users.

  3. No personal identifying information may be posted or commented.

  4. Stay on topic (trans/gender stuff).

  5. Bring a trans friend!

  6. Any image post that gets 200 upvotes with "banner" or "rule 6" in the title becomes the new banner.

  7. Posts about dysphoria/trauma/transphobia should be NSFW tagged for community health purposes.

  8. When made outside of NSFW tagged posts, comments about dysphoria/traumatic/transphobic material should be spoiler tagged.

  9. Arguing in favor of transmedicalism is unacceptable. This is an inclusive and intersectional community.

  10. While this is mostly a meme community, we allow most trans related posts as we grow the trans community on the fediverse.

If you need your neopronouns added to the list, please contact the site admins.

Remember to report rulebreaking posts, don't assume someone else has already done it!

Matrix Group Chat:

Suggested Matrix Client: Cinny

https://rentry.co/tracha (Includes rules and invite link)

WEBRINGS:

🏳️‍⚧️ Transmasculine Pride Ring 🏳️‍⚧️

⬅️ Left 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈 Be Crime Do Gay Webring 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈 Right ➡️

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS