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Has anyone read Nancy Friday's book of erotic short stories My Secret Garden?

It has at least one story that features preteen girls, and the one I'm thinking of also heavily features zoophilia.

This book came out in the 1970s and, while not exactly mainstream even in its time, it was recommended to me on Reddit and you can still buy it on Amazon.

I'm fascinated by the way we have erased all traces of eroticized children from sexual discourse It's like we collectively decided to pretend that nobody thinks kids are sexy except weirdos.

Meanwhile, Europeans were producing child porn for the masses up to the 1980s or 90s.

I wonder how much other literature is/was out there featuring child sex. I'd love any recommendations

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I firmly believe that all sexual taboos are just things latent in human sexuality.

Given that, I think that attraction to minors is natural and normal.

I suspect that (many but certainly not all) prehistoric societies would have expressed this in a more holistic way. Maybe rituals that allowed some autonomy for children and brought them up to speed as their brains and bodies were ready for more sexual knowledge and understanding

Or maybe there would have been societies where kids were default participants in /witnesses to sexual activity. I'm thinking of, say, an Iriquois longhouse. You would have absolutely hear your neighbors fucking next door. Or even as recently as Viking-era Northern Europe, where all people in a family would have slept under a single roof.

Would people be hiding sex? Probably not. It'd just be a normal part of life and kids would know about it.

As a part of our modern obsession with "protecting" children (ie, keeping them stupid for longer), we have created big taboos about even sexual knowledge. So we can't even discuss it with our own children without feeling shy/awkward/shameful/frightened. Let alone giving them real experience or something to witness.

The result is a mix of unhealthy solutions and complex expressions of the desire to include children/youthfulness into our sexual activities and education. Think of a father giving his sons porn to avoid actually talking or teaching anything; or the way that we fetishize childish imagery like school uniforms. Lovers may call each other Mommy or Daddy; many gravitate toward incestuous roleplays that involve "safe" ages.

At least these are fun for everyone involved! But the worst expression of this is a deep-seated desire (especially among among libertarian types, OMG!) to control their children's sexuality, up to and including forcing the children into sex at home. More commonly it's just Daddy scaring away boyfriends or otherwise cock-blocking his Little Girl who is desperately seeking some sexual independence.

I'm not saying that all families are supposed to fuck, but that there must be some middle ground where attracted/curious individuals can engage each other safely and respectfully, whether for sex or sex education. Indeed, the concept of a nuclear family is itself extremely recent in human history and more an aberration than the norm.

Libertarian types cling desperately to this "Little House on the Prairie with forced sexual control of my kids", and I think it's completely wrong and immoral (even if it actually comes from a well-meaning motivation), so I want to distance myself from that.

I'm not sure if all of this makes sense or is a clearly connected set of ideas. It's a little bit stream-of-consciousness.

I wish there was more discussion and literature about pre-industrial and pre-agricultural sexual norms. Maybe I don't know where to find it?

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Wrapper Offline is based on an older website called Goanimate. It lets you make your own animated videos using the program’s preset moves and facial expressions. You can make characters that will be brought to life automatically. Add camera movements, music, sound effects, etc. You’re put right in the “director’s chair”

It has a variety of design themes with their own backgrounds, props, characters (ex: Comedy World, Stick Figure, Lil Peeps, Anime)

Something like this could be the missing link in our goals to change society. We have memes, infographics, some videos, some studies, “positive memories” stories and more

But.. we don't have the benefit of actors or experienced traditional animators to take things to the next level. Wrapper opens that door so wide for us ♥️. I made these little animations to give you guys a look into what this program can do:

  1. Map relevant https://fstube.net/w/eSTJR5zzrkKEnkjkGjDPYM
  2. Random/ just fun https://fstube.net/w/tPWLBjXC4BJdTLT2W354Vt (Detailed information in the descriptions and comments) (And anyone’s free to reuse any character designs)

If people start using this while it's not very known, we’ll be steps ahead of antis who may find it later.

Wrapper Offline can become a Para program 😏😸

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You are pretty cool :3

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idk what else to write X3 but just curious :3 what do each of u like in minors? (if nsfw comments r allowed here Im also fine with those :3 would I need to mark my post as nsfw for that?)

for example, my bf says he isnt specifically attracted to minors but doesnt care about age if he loves the person but he does love how smol I am >w< and also loves the big bro and lil sis vibes :3 we say we're siblings to ppl that dont know we're together and we also sometimes call each other bro and sis >w<

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Let's share some MAP-friendly media (new and old). I expect pretty much all of it will be anime, manga, or light novels, but let's have much and make a big list for all our favorite recommendations.

Now, since I could go on for forever listing off series I love, I'll hold back and keep this list at 5 entries.

  1. Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya - It might help to have some passing knowledge of the Fate franchise, but it's super lewd, and they actually aged Illya down for the series, putting her in elementary school. This series gets pinned down a lot for how much it loves to lewd the lolis, but it really should get more credit for how amazing it is as in pretty much every other respect (comedy, action, story, etc.)

  2. Onee-san wa Joshi Shougakusei ni Kyoumi ga arimasu (manga) - The most openly MAP main character I've ever seen (because the author is a MAP, too). Really cathartic.

  3. Cardcaptor Sakura - One of the most pro-MAP, pro-love-is-love series I've ever seen. Would recommend the manga a bit more, just because it's more explicit in stating the relationships (such as the teacher giving one of the 4th-graders a ring and telling her, "I told the clerk this was an engagement ring. Take card of it until it becomes a wedding ring."

  4. I'm Not a Lolicon! (manga) - A crazy story filled with lewd scenes between a teacher and the little girls in his class. There's even an uncensored version of the manga, but it's hard to find.

  5. Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear - Might sound like a weird choice, but I swear I have never seen a main character give off as much MAP energy as Yuna... without being painted as a pervert, at least.

That was a tough list to make, and I wouldn't call it my "top 5", but I think it's a good start. Feel free to add your favorites. I'd love to discover new MAP-friendly series.

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What's a good way to ask someone on a social media app if they're a MAP without other people figuring it out? I saw an elderly man going off about how unfairly people were treating a minor online and how he wanted that young boy to know he had allies. It was a very impassioned speech and gave me big MAP vibes, but I couldn't figure out how to ask "Are you a MAP?" in a way that wouldn't get me harassed and likely even banned. It's pitiful that the only way we can publicly talk about MAPs is with hatred and bigotry and that we need to use roundabout ways of identifying each other, but that's how things are right now. How would/do you go about it?

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My fiancé is a MAP and zoo. He came out to three of his girlfriends and one person he considers a friend. All of the girlfriends were chill with it, but the last person was very rude about my fiancé being a MAP. I just needed a place to let it out.

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I went to a local pride parade and I noticed one of the cars had MAP colours in a dots pattern.

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NOTE: I originally wrote this as a fedi post right after I saw the movie seven months ago. I don’t remember all the specifics now.

tl:dr; fuck miguel, miles morales says map rights

so… i just watched across the spider-verse

on its own it’s a great movie

but i started seeing it as a metaphor for the map experience almost immediately, i’ve never seen us so clearly on a movie screen

obviously the creators didn’t do it on purpose but it works amazingly well anyway.

and with that in mind its one of the most emotional movies i’ve ever seen and i wanna talk about it.

SPOILERS AHEAD, LOTS OF MENTIONS OF BIGOTRY

1. GWEN AND THE INTOLERANT PARENTS

so the movie starts out with gwen. her dad’s a cop, and he’s hunting her down (in her spider-girl identity) cause she “murdered” peter parker (it didn’t really happen that way but he saw her with his body and jumped to conclusions). she has to hear him call her a murderer and she can’t defend herself. the stress is getting to her at school, at home.

eventually he traps her and she reveals her identity because he wouldn’t arrest his own daughter, he’d listen to her.

but he doesn’t. he tries to turn his own daughter over to the courts over something he doesn’t fully understand. and then he acts like SHE’S betraying HIM by lying to him, when SHE HAD TO LIE.

sound familiar yet?

2. MILES AND THE SO-CLOSE PARENTS

so then we cut to miles. miles’s double life is affecting his school and his relationship with his family. they know he’s lying to them and he’s drifting away from them (his worst grade is in spanish, his mom’s language).

he’s willing to work very hard to live his best life (in other words, to figure out how to cross dimensions to see gwen again). but his life goals sound insane to everyone else.

eventually he’s grounded after showing up VERY late to an important family event and acting like it’s no big deal, cause HE knows he had a good reason to be gone (he was fighting a villain) but he can’t explain to his parents why he hurt them.

he tries to tell his mom the truth twice but he can’t get the words out.

gwen’s experience is probably worse, but miles hit me harder cause that’s where i am with my family. my parents love me. they want the best for me. they know i’m hiding something big from them. i can’t tell the truth. i get in moods i can’t explain to them, i feel stressed in my own home, i have to lie about my relationships.

so miles runs away with gwen. at this point gwen ran away from her dad months ago and now she’s part of a huge interdimensional team of spider-men. she has great friends and a cool older mentor figure.

and THIS is where the movie goes from just being a queer movie to being specifically a map movie for me.

3. THE SPIDER-HYPOCRITES

because it’s a group of social outcasts who have to lie to other people, but not to each other. they’ve shared so many experiences and they’re a big happy community.

the spider-men are the larger queer community.

but they didn’t want miles. miles had to sneak in. and at first he thinks it’s cause he’s not experienced enough (in other words, not queer enough), but then why is some other guy with 6 months of “easy” experience in? why are there literally HUNDREDS of them when he finally gets to their base?

it turns out the reason is because miles is one of their TARGETS. the spider that bit him is the only one who came from a different universe than his own, so the universe it came from never had a spider-man and now it’s full of crime. also, his own universe’s spider-man died saving him.

miles was a different kind of queer just by circumstance. and peter a made his own choice to give his life to miles, doing the thing he had always done. but all the spider-men care about is in their eyes, his existence caused a lot of suffering, even though none of that was ACTUALLY HIS FAULT. so they want him gone.

they also blame him for the main villain of the movie: the Spot.

4. THE STRAIGHTS AREN’T OKAY

the spot starts out as a loser villain who blames miles for “creating” him when he destroyed the supercollider at the end of the last movie. but he becomes an extremely powerful, cosmic being who threatens all universes in his quest to destroy miles’s life. he’s also the one who brought miles’s spider to their world in the first place.

but even though the SPOT’S trying to kill MILES, and miles didn’t even “create” him on purpose, and it’s definitely not miles’s fault the spot’s killing so many people…

because the spot’s targeting miles, the spider-men blame him for everything the spot does.

the spot’s black hole-like powers consume everything. a punk rock spider-man said it was a metaphor for capitalism and i thought it was a throwaway joke, but maybe it’s not that far from the truth.

i think the spot is wider society’s queerphobia, and there’s two sides to him. on the one hand, it’s immensely powerful, it can be anywhere at any time and while it might look human at first, it’s more of an idea than a person. but at the same time he also IS a person who legitimately got screwed and hurt, but he blames it on all the wrong people. instead of blaming fate, or the villains of the last movie who built and misused the supercollider in the first place, he blames miles. the easy, visible, socially acceptable target.

it targets miles and tries to ruin his life cause he’s a pedophile, but the spider-men see it as a threat to all queer people because it’s using miles as an excuse to attack them and even other people too. but instead of blaming the queerphobes, they blame miles for being the target. bigotry’s based on emotion, not logic. it’s the bigot’s problem, no one else’s. but the spider-men somehow think if only miles hadn’t been there, nothing like this would ever have happened.

again, sound familiar?

and so the oh-so-heroic outcasts hunt the heroic outcast down. a younger outcast too, someone who needs their mentorship, not their betrayal.

5. MIGUEL

their leader is miguel. miguel seems like a cool guy when gwen meets him at the start of the movie, and he helps her fight a bad guy. he showed up at the end of the last movie in a meme too, so it’s not like he’s gonna be a super serious character or a villain, right?

but miguel is also a man who’s lost a lot over the years being spider-man. he’s mentally scarred, and now he’s the jaded “politico” gay who won’t let anything “threaten” his community and viciously cuts out anyone who might. he lets miles in at first, but just to keep an eye on him, not cause he wants to. and when miles won’t do exactly what he says, he shows who he really is.

why is he like this? because HE broke the rules in the past and disrupted the “canon” by doing a good thing like miles wants to do (both of them wanted to help their families). the universe he was in got wiped out after that. miguel’s 100% sure it’s related and it’s his fault. but if the spot can destroy a universe, why can’t something else? does he actually have any PROOF it’s his fault or is he just blaming himself for what someone else did to him cause he thinks good people never blame others?

this movie’s a two-parter and the second part isn’t out yet. the spot’s the main villain of the whole thing, but make no mistake, miguel’s the main villain of part 1.

he’s one of the most terrifying movie villains i’ve seen. he’s huge. his face is drawn like a baki character. his costume has blades on it. he hunts miles down relentlessly, pinning him to the ground so hard it breaks around him, tells him he’s not one of them and he’s their greatest threat. the tone in his voice and the look on his face, the determination and HATRED in the way he moves… he wants to kill miles. he doesn’t have to say it.

even when miles finally escapes him (just barely), he brings a team to hunt him down and literally cuts the fabric between dimensions.

of course, people are trying to justify miguel because “sacrifices must be made for the greater good”. try being one of the sacrifices against your will then tell me that again. if someone wants to give up everything that has to be their choice. it’s disgusting to make that choice for someone you don’t know and don’t understand.

almost all the “brave” spider-men blindly do what he says. but there are a few who want to protect miles. some take longer than others, some think they can save miles without directly disobeying miguel (they’re wrong).

the spider-men from the first movie know he’s a good person even if their community says he isn’t, because they actually know him. the punk rock spider-man IMMEDIATELY quits when they start hunting him down, just on principle, then joins the team coming to help him. a hologram spider-girl who was trying to stop him lets him escape at the last minute. and of course gwen won’t obey miguel.

not everyone does. gwen’s cool older mentor who brought her into the community? she abandons them both. even peter (miles’s mentor from the first movie) keeps trying to make everything be okay and it takes him AGES to realize, no, miles can’t make peace with a community that wants him in prison or dead, and miguel’s insane and won’t listen.

gwen’s punishment for helping miles? miguel sends her back to her own universe. back to the father who, last we saw, was trying to ARREST HER. and he knows that. he just doesn’t care, because that’s how people like him “help their community”: by beating down everyone who doesn’t fit their vision until the rest fall in line.

and so by trying to stop a huge threat to queer people, miguel becomes a smaller but still significant and personal threat to queer people himself.

6. IT WAS FATE

in the last big scene of the movie, miles gets sent to the universe his spider came from. his dad’s dead and his mom’s barely getting by, there’s crime all over his city because there’s no spider-man, and his own counterpart is one of the worst. the evil miles even tries to kill him!

miguel sees this as miles’s fault for “taking” the spider (again, miles didn't, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, but anything that threatens his ideal queer community must be a malicious and purposeful outsider). but another way to look at it is, if miles wasn’t spider-man, his whole world would be all wrong. his life’s how it’s supposed to be back home cause HE’S the way he’s supposed to be. if he let other people talk him out of who he really is or he suppressed himself, he wouldn’t be a good normal queer like miguel wants or straight like the spot wants. the stress would just turn him into a much worse person.

he couldn’t have been “normal” in any world.

the way i see it, he had to be a pedophile.

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I don't think necessarily everyone who likes loli or shota are also MAPs, but there's obviously a very large overlap between the two.

IMO most people who do this are either just trying to save face or are in denial about their attraction. You'll often hear from gay people how they thought they were straight and were in denial about their sexuality for a long time before accepting themselves, so I think a big chunk of the people who say they're lolicons/shotacons but not MAPs are having the same experience because society is extremely antagonistic towards MAPs.

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PDF version (watch out for fake download button ads)

A book on the history of public perception of pedophiles and child sexual abuse throughout the 20th century. It's interesting to see how often and how dramatically public opinion has shifted, driven by fads in psychology, law enforcement looking for more power, and individual criminals who got outsized attention. But there has always been absurd, baseless bullshit, whether we're morally defective imbeciles or insatiable monsters.

It's been a while since I read it, and I don't remember a lot of specifics off the top of my head. I'll have to go through it again sometime. Good to know how things got to where they are, and it's somewhat reassuring that big panics have come and gone before.

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y'all need to treat age regressed system members with the same delicacy as actual kids.

just because they have some degree of sexually, and inhabit a body over 18, doesn't mean you should start doing hard kink without asking

@map

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Repost since Burggit exploded yesterday.

Not sure if the post is still up on rqd2 but oh well.

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i always find it odd how the media paints MAPs as child abusers, even the ones who haven't touched a child in their lives. most MAPs i have met care about children to a heartwarming amount and show the most raw tender love i've ever s33n. even moreso than non-MAPs. hell, even moreso than parents

maybe it's because we tend to view children as actual living, breathing humans. we view them as equals and find their innocence and curiosity charming

personally, as a hebephile, i find natural occurrences in t33nagers to be adorable and hot because i genuinely love t33nagers. the way their body changes quicker than they are ready for is wonderfully cute, and i want to support them through it unconditionally. i understand what it f33ls like, after all

i've researched that most people who rape children (emphasis on rape, without consent) are biastophiles or extreme sadists (no shade to either whatsoever) who enjoy the f33ling of power they get out of it. most of the time they are not MAPs

to add onto this, i believe that we as a society should have less of a harsh view towards biastophiles/rapists. they are people just like us, and deserve therapy and sympathy despite their horrible actions. the same goes for serial killers, imo. the stigma often surrounding them is very misguideded and doesn't look towards the actual issue, but rather what they have done. rather than working to decrease child abuse cases or severe trauma, they are adamant on demonizing criminals and ostracizing them for what they have done.

this is not to say that they aren't at fault whatsoever, and what they did was horrible, but it is to say that they deserve more sympathy

anywho, back to MAPs

i find oftentimes that we are painted in a similar light for things we haven't even done. we are treated as horrible evil child molesters regardless of if we have had relations with children or not. we are treated as ticking timebombs that are counting down to the day we molest a child, despite most of us having good enough self control not to

what are your thoughts?

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In the thread "Has anyone had a relationship with someone much older when they were younger? How do you feel about it now?" some of the women describe what may legitimately have been abusive relationships. If they were indeed abusive, as is not uncommon even for adults, they have my fullest sympathy.

However as we see in some other comments from that same thread these negative feelings may instead be an artifact of the dogma that society pushes, stating that relationships between adolescents and adults, or even young adults with older ones are inherently creepy and bad.

A number of answers were from women who said they still felt neutral or positively about their former older partner, but who were nonetheless still convinced that the relationship was inherently inappropriate for whatever reason:

Yeah. I sometimes find it hard to reconcile a) the fact I believe the age gap was inappropriate and I don’t support his behaviour but b) I don’t hate him and if we ran into each other I’d probably still feel amiable towards him. I’ve decided it’s probably not unusual to feel that way.

This is just some armchair psychology on my part, but I believe that she feels conflicted because deep down she knows that their relationship was not actually inappropriate. She's just attached to this idea that the age gap was inherently bad, and this is clashing with the fact that deep down she still feels positively about the relationship.

I had a relationship with someone in his late 20’s when I was 17-18. I don’t have any negative feelings about it at all, maybe because I felt like the more dominant partner at the time, even if that was just a feeling and not reality. With age and distance, I can see it was wrong and he should have drawn a boundary as the older person (at least until I was 18!) but I don’t have negative feelings towards him. He treated me better than I treated him. I was an immature young person on a power trip who brought the type of drama typical for that age and he was a steady easygoing type, so I think I got the better part of that deal in the end, though I will repeat I recognize now that he should not have engaged with someone my age in the first place.

It's kind of funny yet sad to see someone claim that her partner treated her well while she treated him badly, only to then insist that he was actually in the wrong simply because he didn't wait one extra year. Irony is truly dead.

My ex was 20 years older than me. Now that I have reached the age my ex was when we met, I realize how creepy it was for him to date someone my age.

No further explanation is given as to why this was supposedly "creepy".

Another commenter starts their answer by saying:

I have one, and happily it's not a gross predatory story, though it was still sus as hell in retrospect. Basically I met this guy when he was 48 and I was 23 [...]

She then proceeds to describe a normal relationship with a guy who might arguably just have been somewhat immature, which for some unexplained reason she then labels "sus" despite them both being adults.

The next woman states:

I was 21 and he was 30. Felt nice being the young hot thing and he was a really attractive PhD student. Sex was crap for me until I was 24 and spoke up for myself and what I wanted but I never felt like he was taking advantage or grooming. If you question that relationship now and the dynamic you probably are right in doing so.

Why is questioning "that dynamic" warranted? Who knows.

Irony then proceeds to turn in its grave as a woman who started a relationship with an age gap as an adult chips in to insist that, despite her having a healthy relationship, you should still be wary of age gaps.

I’m in my thirties and have been in an age gap relationship since my late twenties, but while our relationship is healthy and it specifically works for us, I never recommend age gap relationships and I caution against them, particularly for anyone younger than 25. There are a lot of predatory men out there. Not worth it especially if you aren’t experienced in relationships or don’t know how to set boundaries and hold high standards for behavior and values.

I'm repeating myself, but you get the point. So many allusions to some nondescript "inappropriateness" about the age gap (Even for adults!) despite positive memories from their relationships. This is what actual grooming looks like: People being gaslighted into resenting their exes for no reason other than some arbitrary dogma imposed by society. Although the book "We were NOT abused!" by David Riegel focused on man-boy relationships, it feels appropriate to quote it here:

[...] But the vast majority of emotional and psychological harm that occurs is caused not by the relationship itself, but by the interference of outsiders who feel that they must create a punishable perpetrator/victim situation out of a perfectly consensual and benign relationship.

Society would do a monumental service to boys by discarding these artificial restrictions on their right to investigate and enjoy their own sexuality at their own pace, on their own terms, and with companions of their own choosing.

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I've mentioned before how it's really baffling to me that there are any MAPs on the right of the political spectrum. I guess it's possible that this is just some weird kind of parody/joke, but I've seen enough MAPs say racist shit to know that there's a reasonable possibility that this person is completely serious.

Truly weird that someone could reconcile being a trans MAP and also a white supremacist.

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(This is from my perspective as a YAP, but I imagine this applies to other "harmful" paraphilias as well.)

I'm on another Fediverse instance (which I will not name because I know the moderator goes out of their way to seek out and slander people badmouthing them and their instance) under a different username and the constant militantly anti contact rhetoric I see on there is exhausting. It's all "children can't consent" and "if you're pro contact you're a predator and we want nothing to do with you" and a whole lot of pathologization of pedophilia. I, of course, stay quiet about it on there, and I only put up with it because they also host a lot of kodo/kodocon (they say it's okay if it's purely fictional) and I haven't found a better instance to migrate to. (Also, the mod is extremely ageist in general; they are extremely adamant about keeping minors off of their instance, and they don't even try to say it's just for legal reasons, they legitimately think minors shouldn't be looking at porn.)

Yes, child sexual abuse is bad, but it's not predatory to acknowledge that "minors" (I hate that term, it feels very dehumanizing) have sexual desires – not just teenagers but prepubescent children as well – or to suggest that they should be able to explore their sexuality with other people if they so choose. I don't want to force myself on a child who isn't interested in sex or romance (either in general or with adults). Many youth won't be interested – as is their right. But that is not indicative of all youth, and I believe that if a child or teenager wants to enter a relationship with an adult, they should be able to do so.

When do these people think people should have sexual autonomy? When they turn 18? What's so magical about that age that turns people from pure, innocent, sexless babies who don't deserve autonomy "for their own protection" to fully fledged adults who are predators if they so much as eye a slightly younger friend wrong?

Also, someone tried to use a screenshot of the MAP wiki's page for "pro contact" (which I don't feel like looking up ATM but to paraphrase it said "pro contact people believe that sexual and romantic contact between minors and significantly older adults are not inherently harmful or predatory and should be permissible") as a gotcha to say "if you're defending pro contact MAPs this is what you're defending, don't lie about what 'contact' means!" Though I suppose maybe some people were saying that "contact" in that situation means "any kind of social contact, not necessarily romantic or sexual" and in that case that is an incorrect definition of "contact," but it still seems absurd to me on some level.

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While looking for a photo to use in the meme I just posted to !mapmemes@rqd2.net I found out that there are lots of groups and albums on Flickr dedicated to the beauty of kids with hundreds of thousands of photos and tens of thousands of members. And some of the pics include nude or semi-nude kids too.

It's both funny and sad how in our sexophobic and puritan society you can recognize and admire the beauty of children even in the nude as long as you don't "sexualize it" (whatever normies think that means). But the moment you recognize that this beauty can extend into the realm of sexuality you're suddenly a "freak", "groomer", "degenerate", plus a number of other nasty labels that non-MAPs like to put onto us.

The way society tries to inherently separate kids from sexuality despite the fact that many children enjoy exploring and expressing their sexuality and that a significant chunk of adults find kids attractive is nothing short of pathetic. I'm reminded of an excerpt from a book I once saw on Reddit:

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Perhaps unsurprisingly this is not the most well-informed and unbiased article on MAPs, but it's still interesting to read about what they thought of us as they read through the posts in these darknet forums.

While the article was written by someone at Cracked, the info itself comes from "Pam", an undergrad student who's supposedly not a pedophile herself and was just infiltrating 7axxn to get info for her research project (never even heard of this forum before, probably long dead and gone). She has 5 main takeaways from her "research":

  1. In The Dark Web, You'll Find A Whole Pedophile "Community" (They talk about how there are quite a few forums in the darknet with thousands of users.)

  2. There Are Two Opposing "Camps" Of Child Molester (Pro-abuse (hurtcore) and pro-contact but anti-abuse. Of course, the writer believes that all sexual contact with children is abuse so they don't care about this distinction.)

  3. For Some People, It's A Family Business (Yes, lots of pedophiles have sex with their kids. What a shocker.)

  4. Child Molesters Have A Handbook (They found out about The Pedophile's Handbook.)

  5. They Are Very Good At Staying Anonymous (Yes, most of us don't dox ourselves and avoid giving out personal information. Surprising, I know.)

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