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Love how you guys can excuse murdering scores of innocent brown people overseas, and a literal Nazi tattoo on his chest, but as soon as he touches a white woman..
I thinking raping anyone is kinda bad, and that shouldn't be contentious.
I would definitely argue that it's incredibly evil and kinda bad makes you kinda sound like an apologist.
I wish you the best of luck getting the care you desperately need.
In sure you'll end up in jail eventually with a milquetoast response like that to rape. Good luck with that.
Are you MLs going to exclude all veterans from the revolution then?
Are you MLs going to consider that all veterans are a monolith and deserve to be morally contempted for the rest of their lives, with no chance of rehabilitation and change?
Your list of comrades will never stop shrinking if this mentality continues.
Note that Platner denies these rape accusations, when the victim has contemporaneous receipts and Platner's therapy never got around to covering this. Apparently he can rehabilitate as a veteran but not as a sex pest. THAT'S the part y'all should be concerned with.
From leadership positions? Sure.
Excluding someone from a leadership position does not mean they "deserve to be morally contempted with no chance of rehabilitation or change." This whole mentality is completely screwed up and backwards.
If a politician fucks up or does something shitty, and they want my forgiveness, then they're completely free to drop out of politics. Go volunteer at a soup kitchen or something. Better yet, go out and make restitution to your victims. It doesn't matter if you're unable to undo the damage you caused, so long as you're trying and you're being humble about it.
But somehow, and idk if this is an American thing or what, but people like you get things completely twisted. A politician can just say "I'm sorry," do absolutely nothing to make restitution or demonstrate humility, and everything's fine! It's ridiculous, that's not forgiveness, that's either not caring about what they did in the first place, or bootlicking and refusing to hold powerful people accountable.
No one who's truly sorry and ashamed about something they've done would try to make themselves the face of a political movement and expect people to rally around them. Why does it have to be him when there are plenty of other people out there who haven't been a killer for hire or a rapist?
It's completely insane.
Beautifully and succinctly said!
If a former veteran gets elected as a politician, blocks legislation that favors the Military Industrial Complex (MIC) and Israel, and passes legislation that benefits the constituents at home, then that's some real, tangible restitution. And veterans turned dissenters of the existing regime may make more inroads than others without that background because of their spite and disdain for the status quo.
Someone being a product of the system they were indoctrinated into doesn't disqualify them from changing the system. That's purity politics.
No, no it's not, that's not how anything works. "I just need to acquire power for myself so that I can make up for the bad things I did" is completely the wrong mentality and not someone who is genuinely seeking forgiveness. Your path of redemption does not look like you becoming one of the most powerful and influential people on earth. You want forgiveness, you use the power that you have right now to make a difference.
This is fundamental. Everyone has some fantasy about how, once they're rich and famous and powerful, once they win the lottery, they'll be super generous and kind and make the world a better place. And in the meantime, if they have to screw people over to get there, it doesn't matter because it'll all work out in the end. Seeking forgiveness necessarily means rejecting that mentality!
If you have already fucked up with what power you have, then the problem isn't that you don't have enough power, it's that you aren't capable of using that power responsibly. The last thing you should be trying to do is acquire more power, and doing that is fundamentally incompatible with redemption.
So be it. If that's purity politics, then we need way more purity politics in the US.
Biden spent his entire long career creating and exacerbating every problem the country has been facing, and somehow anyone who tried to apply any standard whatsoever to him, including just basic cognitive functioning, was accused of practicing "purity politics." The US already has the least "pure" political standards in the entire world. That's how we got here.
How do veterans make people's lives better in the grand scheme? Lead soup kitchens? Set up mutual aide networks?
Is mass change through the state apparatus not an effective way of achieving the same goals?
Doesn't mean Platner can't do both, of course. And he hasn't.
"Grand scheme" nope, immediately wrong. You want to make things better in some big dramatic way, you want to be the face of a movement, you want a leadership position, don't commit war crimes and rape people. Period.
You want to earn redemption and forgiveness having done those things? You contribute to other people's movements and efforts. You quietly support from the background.
The vast majority of people who are actually working to make the world a better place receive little to no recognition. They never get their name up in lights, even if they do good their entire lives without killing and raping first. Now, you think the killer-for-hire is somehow entitled to being one of the few people who get recognition, who represent the movement? That they're too good to do the quiet and humble work that non-murderers do? Where do you get off?
Whether it is or not is irrelevant, the point is that Platner shouldn't be one of the figures leading and representing that effort.
Just the ones that go back 4 times for the thrill of killing, volunteer at torture prisons, and work for mercenary groups.
Rapists aren't sex pests, they're rapists.
So only veterans that touch and go with the military for 6 months or 1 tour are worthy of rehabilitation and your support?
Once again, this mentality will never lead to the populist revolution Lenin wrote about.
I'm not here to debate you about what is or isn't a sex pest. Platner can fuck off in that regard.
Uhh, yes. If you don't see the fucking evil way americas military treats innocent civilians on your first tour and then immediately regret it, and actively go back 3 more times, then volunteer for a torture camp, then become a mercenary.. Fuck you.
Not a hard concept to understand, yeah?
Propaganda can take longer for some if they choose to ignore reality.
Not a lot of leftists are vegans in this regard. If they saw how gas chambers, pistols to the head, knives to the throat are used to kill animals and get them prepped for people's chicken nuggets and jalapen poppers, you'd think they'd change and stop eating meat, but to them the speciesist propaganda that humans are better persists.
Did you write this in the wrong spot? The fuck does this have to do with anything?
My point was about propaganda prevailing over people's eyes and ears. That is a fact that happens for many. Not everyone has the privilege to act on their moral instincts like you. That's what I'm saying.
Veganism is an example from another context that underpins what I'm saying. Same can be said for veterans and new recruits. Hell, most Americans still see military people as heroes. Not saying I do, but that's a fact.
Right, and he was there in person to see through the propaganda. He wanted to go back 3 more times. He volunteered to work at a torture dungeon. He became a mercenary. Your point about propaganda is completely irrelevant, this guy is a murderous Nazi rapist.