Excellent rebuttal, exactly the level of discourse I expect.
Objection
That's a really general question and I can't speak for anyone but myself. And if you're going to be so cagey about your own views then it seems strange to interrogate mine.
I was happy to vote for Brandon Johnson for mayor of Chicago and he seems alright afaik. I would vote for Mamdani if I lived in New York. But even if my assessment is that they're worth voting for, it doesn't mean I have a problem with anyone questioning their authenticity or highlighting concerns about them.
That's a ridiculous thing to assume just because someone disagrees with you... b-baka!
What do you believe would be sufficient such that one doesn’t really hear the argument they’re a fake or phony?
Nothing would be, and that's a good thing. You're saying you don't want to hear the argument that they're a fake or phony. In other words, everyone would have to be convinced of their authenticity. That's an impossible standard, and probably wouldn't even be a good thing. People should be skeptical of politicians, even when they're saying good things.
Put left and right aside for a second. Let's assume that everyone is just evaluating a politician's character. Obviously, different people are going to have all kinds of different assessments of any person's character. Now, if we bring left and right back, then should we not evaluate people's character just because they're saying things we want to hear?
In the US, we are so starved for anyone saying anything remotely good that there's this expectation that everyone should immediately rally around anybody who says anything good. But the goal isn't just to have people say good things, but to do them, and that means critically evaluating them. Not doing that is how you get Sinemas and Fettermans.
Well, let's start by establishing the most basic and generous standard possible: that materially supporting the mass killing of an ethnic group is disqualifying for the highest office in government. If you can't agree with that, then you simply disagree with the idea of holding politicians to any standard whatsoever.
Kamala Harris, obviously.
Context is a thing that exists. If you want to play that game, technically I said "people" and not "you."
Yes and no. We have a version of Democrats that do go around literally screaming about skulls for the skull throne, they're called Republicans and they're just as detestable.
It's interesting how no matter how badly a politician fucks up, people are always ready to give them more and more chances. Absolutely zero accountability.
It's actually impossible for two people to have different reactions to something, no matter how different their beliefs or life experiences are. There are only two reasons a person might disagree with you, they're being paid off by sinister forces or they're a bot.
maybe you think she’s more impressive.
In what way is "being a warlord" impressive??
There's very little difference between a warlord and a pencil pusher, if the right pencil is being pushed. The average democratic politician might as well be screaming "Blood for the blood god and skulls for the skull throne!" in terms of the actual effects of their policies. The only difference is aesthetics and demeanor. You don't get to act like you're not a bloodthirsty psychopath just because you've beurocratized the orphan-crushing machine to the point that all you have to do to crush orphans is to sign a piece of paper.
Shouldn’t you go all-in on states’ rights do you can build your socialist paradises on the coasts? Why do you care at all about what happens in flyover country?
Let me throw it back to you, why do conservatives keep fucking with us instead of leaving us alone to build their fascist paradise in flyover country?
Texas forced immigrants onto buses and then dropped them off in the middle of Chicago, with zero resources or connections, in order to "own the libs." Chicago responded by saying, "Hey, we don't mind you sending them here, but could you please give us a heads up so we can coordinate with services to help them get homes and jobs?" and Texas responded, "Go fuck yourself."
Then, the federal government said, "There's too many immigrants in Chicago" and sent their fascist thugs to abduct people off the street, with no due process, explicitly on the basis of race, against the protests of state and local government. And Texas sent their National Guard too.
Now you tell me: what the fuck did we ever do to Texas? What "states' rights" could possibly exist in such circumstances? In this ideal that conservatives pretend to care about where states are more like independent countries, Illinois would be entirely justified in declaring a defensive war against Texas, which is doing everything it possibly can to create instability and chaos.
They're literally coming here and releasing human beings to hunt for sport in our cities, and then they turn around and have the audacity to talk about "states' rights."


Truly, a titan of intellect.