Objection

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

None of this addresses any of my arguments. As I said, if cloud seeding is implemented in such a way that depends on public support, then it will fail, and if it fails, it'll do more harm than good. It's like saying, "What we're doing now isn't working and we need to do something, so I'm going to burn down a forest." If it's not going to work, then we shouldn't do it, no matter how desperate we are.

One of the big problems with environmental issues is the delay between cause and effect. Even in the best case scenario, all you'd be doing is increasing that disconnect. People are going to have to see and the consequences if we're ever going to change. You're just buying time for us to keep fucking around, but the more time we have to fuck around without finding out, the worse the problem will get.

I'm not inherently opposed to cloud seeding - but only once we're on the right track. If we have a solid plan towards recovery and just need a bit more time to make it through a tight spot, then sure. But if we're just spiraling, then it's just enabling us the make the problem worse. Even in the worst-case scenario you describe, it's still more of a problem of having the willpower to direct effort and resources at the problem than it being physically impossible to address.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

We're talking about a project that would require long-term, generational buy in or it'll blow up in our faces, and apparently the only way to do it, even now, is apparently to lie about it and go behind everyone's backs. That's not how science is done, it's highly unethical and erodes public trust in science, and there will be backlash. Every time there's been a news article about a state "banning chemtrails," the headline is lying and what they're actually banning are these sorts of experiments, with that political will already present at the state level, I don't see a program like this lasting even a decade, let alone a century. And that's assuming there are no unexpected side effects, imagine running on, "Chemtrails are real and giving you cancer but we have to keep doing them, for the environment," and that platform has to win every election forever. And you're lecturing the skeptics about "hubris?"

Even if you ignore the political problems, it's a temporary, stopgap solution. You've got this all backwards, if we do this without addressing the root problem of emissions, things will keep getting worse until we're in the exact same boat down the road but also we have to keep doing cloud seeding forever. And if your plan is to just increase the intensity of cloud seeding indefinitely to address that, then congrats on finding the closest real thing to the Futurama solution of "dropping ever larger ice cubes into the ocean."

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You obviously don't know the history of voting tests. In the US, tests were designed to be virtually impossible for anyone to pass, but white voters didn't have to take them, because the rule was you didn't have to take the test if your grandparents could vote. They were implemented in a racist way.

You want to trust the government to design and implement tests, that sort of thing is what it could easily lead to, whether you want it or not.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago

Number 11 says, "cross out the number," as in, only one number. Pretty sure you have to cross out "1" so that it's just a bunch of zeros.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I don't understand why gun control people want taxes on gun-related stuff. If someone's going to go do a mass shooting, you really think another $200 on an attachment is gonna stop them. It's mainly going to penalize collectors like this guy, and there's zero difference in public safety between someone owning 26 vs 27 suppressors.

You don't want people to have suppressors, ban them. If you're not banning them, leave them be. Taxes and fees are just the worst of both worlds.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

How and when did Tennessee become worse than Texas and Florida?

When Haslam retired. Which he did because he saw the writing on the wall that there was no longer a place for him.

Haslam wasn't good, but as a corporate lackey, he just wanted to keep the machine running, he wasn't ideologically committed to all the christofascist culture war bullshit, and would push back on it when it would rock the boat too much. For a few years, he held back the rising tide of fascism and the state was less bad than most of its neighbors. But as soon as he left, there was a massive wave of legislation making up for lost time. The people running things now are fascist idiots, whether ideologues or opportunists, unrestrained by conscience or reason. If Fox News runs a story about something, there will be legislation about it within a week.

How did things get this bad? Because the corporate lackies created the material conditions for it. They were happy to work with and spur on the christofascists because it gets them voting Republican. And now they've created a beast they can no longer control or restrain.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

When you put it that way, it is pretty unbelievable that a US politician would follow through on a promise 🤔

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You mentioned that I may want to deflect the responsibility from Biden. -> I don’t have such interests.

Again, why did you feel the need to say that you don’t care about internal US politics when I didn’t say shit about internal US politics?

Whoever did it

Yeah, could be Russia's biggest geopolitical rival that directly benefited both politically and economically by forcing Europe to buy their gas instead and which said that it would do that exact thing under those exact conditions and easily have the means to do it, or it could've been anyone, really.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago

No, I’m not. I just said that this post was likely Russian propaganda. That’s it.

Because the post criticized the fact that American citizens get zero say over foreign policy, you assumed it was "likely Russian propaganda."

Maybe you should engage in some critical reflection instead of repeating whatever imperialist genocidal powers tell you to think.

I do, you should try it yourself sometime, bootlicker.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Yes, because you're claiming that anyone who doesn't fall in line with your Orwellian "five minutes hate" is a traitor. That's the definition of bootlicking.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

I never denied that Russia has propaganda. I do deny your assumption that anyone who isn't slobbering over US boots must automatically be licking Russian boots, that anyone who doesn't do like you do and fall in lockstep behind hating whoever the people in power tell us to hate must be a traitor or spy.

Keep denouncing anyone who's antiwar for their lack of patriotism, you're making Goering proud.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Why would I want to deflect blame from Biden? I’m telling you that I’m a European and I don’t care who’s in charge in the US or which president did what.

Why did you feel the need to say that you don't care about internal US politics when I didn't say shit about internal US politics?

All I did was post a clip of the US president promising that he'll stop NordStream if Russia invaded Ukraine, despite not having the legal authority to do so. Then, of course, Russia invaded Ukraine, and the NordStream pipeline mysteriously got stopped (could be anyone, really!)

because that sabotage was very convenient for every party

It certainly wasn't convenient for Russia or Germany.

 
 

This remains relevant as Ukraine has never apologized for these atrocities, continues to reject that these attacks constituted "genocide," and has criticized Poland for establishing July 11 as a day for commemorating the victims. And of course, it still uses the same slogans ("Slava Ukraini"), the same symbols (such as the red and black flag), and reveres Stepan Bandera (who was the head of the OUN, which in turn founded the UPA which carried out these attacks).

 

cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/5524375

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Many abolitionists have complained to me that, as a traveling performer, I have not spoken to my audiences on the issue of slavery. I have received many angry letters attacking me based on assumptions about what my silence means.

Allow me to make my position clear: I oppose the institution of slavery. In the words of Thomas Jefferson, I believe it is a "moral depravity." I feel that way about other things as well.

After the raid on Harper's Ferry, the mood among Southern leaders was an existential panic and unstoppable lust for revenge. It reminded me of the Alamo. There was no reasoning with those leaders, nor could action be taken by congress. It would have required replacing most of congress and overturning decades of bipartisan negotiation and compromises. Even in the best case, it would have taken years.

But even worse, the abolitionist, pro-Negro movement quickly decided that their primary goal was not merely opposition to the reprisals or specifically cruel owners, but opposition to the entire institution of slavery, that is, opposition to the entire way of life of Southern plantation owners. And here they decided to draw the line between decent people and oppressive tyrants, which had the following consequences:

It shrunk the coalition. Most southerners support slavery. Anyone who supports the solution of having slave states and free states supports slavery.

It was politically infeasible. What is the pathway that takes us from the present situation to the abolition of slavery as an institution? I do not see how it could happen without a total collapse of the union. As usual, these Jacobins have championed a doomed cause.

The abolitionists have been distributing hundreds of pamphlets about the horrid conditions of slaves. The main effect of this has been to create a population of people in a constant state of bloodboiling rage with no consequential political outlet.

I fear this may be worse than useless. Yes, there are disingenuous proponents of slavery dismissing and censoring all criticism of slavery on the pretext of "states' rights." But there's also valid fear of historical government overreach and that fear gives power to pro-slavery leaders who say that only they can protect Southern culture.

Does this mean slavery should not be criticized? Absolutely not. But it's something I do not wish to contribute to unless if not outweighed by tangible benefits.

Many abolitionists have been single-mindedly focused on slavery, and the willingness of the Republicans to compromise on the issue, and that focus has had the following effects:

Not a single slave was freed by their efforts. Not one fewer lash was delivered by the owners.

It may have slightly contributed to the election of James Buchanan, ensuring that nothing can be done to stop the expansion of slavery into new states. Buchanan also does not support giving women like me the right to vote. A perfectly enlightened being would feel no bitterness about this, but I do.

None of this is the fault of slaves, of course, who are overwhelmingly the victims here.

But if women like me are ever going to get anywhere in this country, we need a broad movement that stands up for the rights of ALL women, REGARDLESS of their views on slavery.

 

"By your logic, you could justify a foreign armed insurgency against the US government" smuglord

link

 

Wait shit, I gotta come up with a different bit. Germans are already a thing.

 
 
 

Post criticizes Trump for lifting sanctions on Syria and calls Julani "a known terrorist" linked to "the deaths and injuries of dozens of American troops."

If this isn’t enough to flex your second amendment rights, kiss your fucking country good bye. We’ll be building a wall on the 49th

Yeah, you know, I was fine with all this other stuff, but "lifting sanctions on Syria" is my red line, that's the thing I'm really gonna fight and die for.

Doing Business with LITERAL TERRORISTS is a BIG BRAIN BUSINESS MOVE that will HELP the US!

Kill all the Americans you want as long as you bribe the toddler-in-chief…

It's so easy to get these people to hate foreigners. Literally just a random post from a random guy, they know nothing about the situation or the history and don't care to look into it before just agreeing with whatever.

How can any US friendly leader feel safe when Americans are insane chauvinists who are so fickle and uninformed, so ready to turn on them at the drop of a hat? Bribing/appeasing the ruling class is their only shot.

 

Maryland Sen. Chris Van Hollen says he has met with Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who immigration officials say was deported by error, in El Salvador on Thursday.

The senator shared a photo with Abrego Garcia at what appears to be a restaurant.

"I said my main goal of this trip was to meet with Kilmar," Sen. Van Hollen said. "Tonight I had that chance. I have called his wife, Jennifer, to pass along his message of love. I look forward to providing a full update upon my return."

 
 

https://lemmy.ml/post/28111691/17749466

This is actually insane. Another user was criticizing the New Deal era and brought up a bunch of points, I commented refuting a bunch of their points but describing two of of them, Japanese Internment and the Red Scare, simply as "legitimate criticism."

@Decoy321@lemmy.world responded "No they’re not. Those two things were caused by far greater international factors. Like, you know, the 2nd World War."

I cited a commission that found that internment was not caused by a legitimate threat posed by the Japanese but was rather caused by racism and hysteria, and that even Reagan agreed with that conclusion and signed a bill paying reparations to the victims.

Well then the mod responded that I was jumping to "inflammatory conclusions" and "personal attacks" because I assumed that when they said that criticism of internment is not legitimate it meant that they were defending internment. They continued to refuse to explain how else I was possibly supposed to interpret such a claim. I still have no idea. Apparently their stance is, "It's not legitimate to criticize the thing I oppose." If anyone can make sense of that, please enlighten me.

Since they refused to explain, I took a guess that maybe the misunderstanding was that they were interpreting "legitimate criticism" as "damning criticism," like that because a bad thing happened during that era, nothing good came of it at all. I made it clear that this was speculation and that any criticism of interpreting it that way only applied if that's what was happening.

The mod responded by permabanning me, removing all of my comments so they don't show in the modlog, and adding this:

Edit: the other commenter essentially proved that they were just baiting people into inflammatory discussion. They kept resorting to personal attacks and flip-flopped on their position solely to continue arguing. This behavior is not tolerated here. Please report such trolls in the future.

At literally no point did I "flip-flop" my position of "internment was bad, actually." Nor did I "bait" them, unless "criticizing internment is legitimate," is somehow "baiting" someone into saying "no it isn't." By far the most "inflammatory" thing that was said was when they said that criticism of internment was "not legitimate." The "personal attacks" I made were stating the fact that the position they had expressed was to the right of Reagan on the issue, and also making a quip about a .world mod defending the Red scare and Joseph McCarthy.

This seems to be a case of a clear case of PTB, the mod apparently misspoke but because they're a mod they can just ban people for calling them out instead of owning up to it.

Edit: My comments are still visible on kbin.earth (thank you @Skua@kbin.earth) so I can provide screenshots:

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DISRUPT INTERNATIONAL SHIPPING NOW!!

OGEY

Niche ocean carrier Atlantic Container Line is warning the fines the U.S. government is considering hitting Chinese-built freight vessels with would force it to leave the United States and throw the global supply chain out of balance, potentially fueling freight rates not seen since Covid.

“This hits American exporters and importers worse than anybody else,” said Andrew Abbott, CEO of ACL. “If this happens, we’re out of business and we’re going to have to shut down.”

[...] U.S. is no position to win an economic war that places ocean carriers using Chinese-made vessels in the middle. Soon, Chinese-made vessels will represents 98% of the trade ships on the world’s oceans.

Hey, Abdul-Malik Badr Al-Din Al-Houthi, how'd I do?

Thank you Mr. President, that's exactly what I meant. But why-

Another day, another banger

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