Objection

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 hours ago

Truly, a titan of intellect.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Excellent rebuttal, exactly the level of discourse I expect.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

That's a really general question and I can't speak for anyone but myself. And if you're going to be so cagey about your own views then it seems strange to interrogate mine.

I was happy to vote for Brandon Johnson for mayor of Chicago and he seems alright afaik. I would vote for Mamdani if I lived in New York. But even if my assessment is that they're worth voting for, it doesn't mean I have a problem with anyone questioning their authenticity or highlighting concerns about them.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 hours ago

That's a ridiculous thing to assume just because someone disagrees with you... b-baka!

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

What do you believe would be sufficient such that one doesn’t really hear the argument they’re a fake or phony?

Nothing would be, and that's a good thing. You're saying you don't want to hear the argument that they're a fake or phony. In other words, everyone would have to be convinced of their authenticity. That's an impossible standard, and probably wouldn't even be a good thing. People should be skeptical of politicians, even when they're saying good things.

Put left and right aside for a second. Let's assume that everyone is just evaluating a politician's character. Obviously, different people are going to have all kinds of different assessments of any person's character. Now, if we bring left and right back, then should we not evaluate people's character just because they're saying things we want to hear?

In the US, we are so starved for anyone saying anything remotely good that there's this expectation that everyone should immediately rally around anybody who says anything good. But the goal isn't just to have people say good things, but to do them, and that means critically evaluating them. Not doing that is how you get Sinemas and Fettermans.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (4 children)

Well, let's start by establishing the most basic and generous standard possible: that materially supporting the mass killing of an ethnic group is disqualifying for the highest office in government. If you can't agree with that, then you simply disagree with the idea of holding politicians to any standard whatsoever.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 hours ago (6 children)

Kamala Harris, obviously.

Context is a thing that exists. If you want to play that game, technically I said "people" and not "you."

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago

Yes and no. We have a version of Democrats that do go around literally screaming about skulls for the skull throne, they're called Republicans and they're just as detestable.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 hours ago (10 children)

It's interesting how no matter how badly a politician fucks up, people are always ready to give them more and more chances. Absolutely zero accountability.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 23 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (4 children)

It's actually impossible for two people to have different reactions to something, no matter how different their beliefs or life experiences are. There are only two reasons a person might disagree with you, they're being paid off by sinister forces or they're a bot.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (6 children)

maybe you think she’s more impressive.

In what way is "being a warlord" impressive??

There's very little difference between a warlord and a pencil pusher, if the right pencil is being pushed. The average democratic politician might as well be screaming "Blood for the blood god and skulls for the skull throne!" in terms of the actual effects of their policies. The only difference is aesthetics and demeanor. You don't get to act like you're not a bloodthirsty psychopath just because you've beurocratized the orphan-crushing machine to the point that all you have to do to crush orphans is to sign a piece of paper.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Shouldn’t you go all-in on states’ rights do you can build your socialist paradises on the coasts? Why do you care at all about what happens in flyover country?

Let me throw it back to you, why do conservatives keep fucking with us instead of leaving us alone to build their fascist paradise in flyover country?

Texas forced immigrants onto buses and then dropped them off in the middle of Chicago, with zero resources or connections, in order to "own the libs." Chicago responded by saying, "Hey, we don't mind you sending them here, but could you please give us a heads up so we can coordinate with services to help them get homes and jobs?" and Texas responded, "Go fuck yourself."

Then, the federal government said, "There's too many immigrants in Chicago" and sent their fascist thugs to abduct people off the street, with no due process, explicitly on the basis of race, against the protests of state and local government. And Texas sent their National Guard too.

Now you tell me: what the fuck did we ever do to Texas? What "states' rights" could possibly exist in such circumstances? In this ideal that conservatives pretend to care about where states are more like independent countries, Illinois would be entirely justified in declaring a defensive war against Texas, which is doing everything it possibly can to create instability and chaos.

They're literally coming here and releasing human beings to hunt for sport in our cities, and then they turn around and have the audacity to talk about "states' rights."

 

Notes:

The map I used didn't include Turkey (US ally) or Gaza as part of Palestine. Palestine and Lebanon are the only countries that have only been attacked by Israel and not the US directly. Pakistan is technically a US ally and Lebanon has security agreements with the US, but neither host US troops.

For every single country in the oil-rich Middle East, the options are to let the US troops come voluntarily, or to fight them off when they attack.

I did another version for China btw:

 
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The political compass is an attempt to reduce incredibly complicated political questions into two simple lines, and people accept it because it aligns with oversimplified narratives and cultural preconceptions.

"Liberty" and "authority" have little meaning beyond "good" and "bad." If authority is defined more rigorously, or if we use more neutral terms like "centralization" or public vs private, then it becomes a lot less clear that what we're talking about is contrary to "liberty." The private sector, and private individuals, can be just as restrictive of liberty.

Perhaps the clearest example of this is the American Civil War. The southerners were the champions of decentralization, they spoke constantly about how they were fighting for "liberty" against the supposed tyranny of the northerners - and the reason they wanted "states' rights" and decentralization is that they would be able to keep people enslaved. It was big, centralized government, that evil "authoritarian" force imposing it's authority that resulted in a greater degree of liberty. But that is not just some freak exception.

If someone can't go out at night without fear of being attacked, that person is no more "free" to go out than if they feared legal repercussions. Governments are, at their worst, no different from a criminal organization, and yet there is this tendency to assign special status to restrictions imposed by the law, rather than being on the same level as restrictions imposed by private individuals or organizations.

And again, we can see how "big government" or "authoritarianism" can increase liberty in the context of regulations, of pollution, of food safety, and of untested drugs. If I can trust regulators to stop a restaurant from serving anything unsafe, then I'm free to order anything off the menu, whereas if not, then everything's a gamble and I might feel restricted to foods I expect to be "safe," if I don't avoid the restaurant entirely.

There once was a time when states viewed things like murder as a personal dispute between families, and didn't generally get involved. This led to all kinds of generational feuds, with people killing each other over a long forgotten dispute between their great-grandfathers. Was that "liberty?" Is that something we should idealize and try to return to?

I'm sure there are people who will read this as me being "pro-authoritarian" and ignoring all the bad things done by states. But that's missing the point. The point is not that centralization or state power are always good, the point is that it's not automatically bad. Having a knee-jerk reaction against it is just oversimplifying complicated issues, and doing so in a way that lots of powerful people want you to do. Because the ruling class understands that they can wield private institutions and privatization just as they can wield public institutions.

You can't just blindly apply an idealist ideological framework of "anti-authoritarianism" to every problem and expect that to produce good results. You have to look at things on a case-by-case basis, applying class analysis.

 
 

This remains relevant as Ukraine has never apologized for these atrocities, continues to reject that these attacks constituted "genocide," and has criticized Poland for establishing July 11 as a day for commemorating the victims. And of course, it still uses the same slogans ("Slava Ukraini"), the same symbols (such as the red and black flag), and reveres Stepan Bandera (who was the head of the OUN, which in turn founded the UPA which carried out these attacks).

 

cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/5524375

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Many abolitionists have complained to me that, as a traveling performer, I have not spoken to my audiences on the issue of slavery. I have received many angry letters attacking me based on assumptions about what my silence means.

Allow me to make my position clear: I oppose the institution of slavery. In the words of Thomas Jefferson, I believe it is a "moral depravity." I feel that way about other things as well.

After the raid on Harper's Ferry, the mood among Southern leaders was an existential panic and unstoppable lust for revenge. It reminded me of the Alamo. There was no reasoning with those leaders, nor could action be taken by congress. It would have required replacing most of congress and overturning decades of bipartisan negotiation and compromises. Even in the best case, it would have taken years.

But even worse, the abolitionist, pro-Negro movement quickly decided that their primary goal was not merely opposition to the reprisals or specifically cruel owners, but opposition to the entire institution of slavery, that is, opposition to the entire way of life of Southern plantation owners. And here they decided to draw the line between decent people and oppressive tyrants, which had the following consequences:

It shrunk the coalition. Most southerners support slavery. Anyone who supports the solution of having slave states and free states supports slavery.

It was politically infeasible. What is the pathway that takes us from the present situation to the abolition of slavery as an institution? I do not see how it could happen without a total collapse of the union. As usual, these Jacobins have championed a doomed cause.

The abolitionists have been distributing hundreds of pamphlets about the horrid conditions of slaves. The main effect of this has been to create a population of people in a constant state of bloodboiling rage with no consequential political outlet.

I fear this may be worse than useless. Yes, there are disingenuous proponents of slavery dismissing and censoring all criticism of slavery on the pretext of "states' rights." But there's also valid fear of historical government overreach and that fear gives power to pro-slavery leaders who say that only they can protect Southern culture.

Does this mean slavery should not be criticized? Absolutely not. But it's something I do not wish to contribute to unless if not outweighed by tangible benefits.

Many abolitionists have been single-mindedly focused on slavery, and the willingness of the Republicans to compromise on the issue, and that focus has had the following effects:

Not a single slave was freed by their efforts. Not one fewer lash was delivered by the owners.

It may have slightly contributed to the election of James Buchanan, ensuring that nothing can be done to stop the expansion of slavery into new states. Buchanan also does not support giving women like me the right to vote. A perfectly enlightened being would feel no bitterness about this, but I do.

None of this is the fault of slaves, of course, who are overwhelmingly the victims here.

But if women like me are ever going to get anywhere in this country, we need a broad movement that stands up for the rights of ALL women, REGARDLESS of their views on slavery.

 

"By your logic, you could justify a foreign armed insurgency against the US government" smuglord

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Wait shit, I gotta come up with a different bit. Germans are already a thing.

 
 
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