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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 55 minutes ago

When was the last time the US wasn't in wartime though?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 56 minutes ago

You've got fascism in your anti-communism again.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

Ukrainians and Irish are obviously too stupid to handle their own agriculture and desperately needed guidance from Moscow or London.

Pretty much every place in the world suffered from famines before modern farming techniques were introduced, and while under the rule of extractive nobles/landowners. It has nothing to do with being "too stupid" or "needing guidance."

Famines in Ireland and India continued frequently under British rule. The famine in Ukraine was in a large part caused by political upheaval from overthrowing the power of the landowners (who responded by burning their stores), which is why it only happened once.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

What about wool, honey, milk, eggs.

Again, it's a matter of whether you're looking at things in the abstract, or in terms of how things actually work.

Take eggs for example. Eggs aren't just a byproduct of having chickens around, there are specific breeds that are dedicated to egg-laying. Because only a small number of males are needed for reproduction, most male chicks are put on a conveyor and ground to death. While I can't claim to be an expert in German laws, I did find that German courts have allowed this practice.

It's a similar story with milk. Because dairy cows are a different breed, male calves are typically slaughtered at birth. Dairy cows are kept in a constant state of pregnancy, suffer the stress of being separated from their young, and are killed as soon as the milk slows down, typically a quarter of their natural lifespans. Dairy is also similarly bad for the environment as beef, and there are widely available plant-based substitutes like oat milk that taste just as good, if not better.

No matter what animal product we're talking about, maximization of profits is almost always going to involve cruelty, environmental harm, and selective breeding to the point that any expectations about natural by-products aren't true. Even with regulations (which can be difficult to enact effectively), there are tradeoffs: limiting cruelty can increase environmental impact (as well as the price). If animal products were appropriately priced based on offsetting the harm they cause, they would be unable to compete against plant-based alternatives.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The way I see it, the tiny fraction of meat that's produced ethically should go to the tiny fraction of people with dietary restrictions that require meat.

The vast majority of people are not going out to investigate small farms to see if their practices are ethical. They are buying meat from a grocery store, and if they consider it at all, they might pick one with a label slapped on like "organic," completely meaningless thanks to lobbying.

Practically speaking, it is almost always a choice between torture products and nothing.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

Labels like "organic" are essentially meaningless.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (4 children)

But surely in the present state of affairs where that treatment is not the norm, veganism is the only ethical approach, no?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

To be fair Obama did try to do it but Congress screwed him.

To be fair to Congress, the 90 senators who voted against it in 2009 included Bernie Sanders and other progressives. Obama attempted to fulfill only the letter of the promise of closing Guantanamo, by simply relocating the detainees to American soil. This risked creating a firmer legal precedent that could enable the practices to be expanded across the country.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

What's crazy is that after she killed all these drafted soldiers in a morally grey war, with no hesitation, suddenly there's this whole moral line drawn about killing someone who's actively committing war crimes and fully intending to prolong the war and keep making chemical weapons.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The best thing the left can do is not take the bait and be diligent in steering the conversation back to the day to day economic issues that actually affect the majority of working class people.

Sure, it shouldn't be the focus of a campaign, but this strategy of caving to the right's BS rhetoric simply does not work.

First off, it legitimizes their positions, when even democrats start spouting transphobic nonsense, it makes it seem like there's legitimate concerns and a debate to be had, when in reality it's just these far-right weirdos and conspiracy theorists talking nonsense.

Second, you're concerned about alienating people for the sake of a small segment of the population, but by caving to the right's rhetoric, you are not only alienating trans people but also allies, which is discussed in the article. How does that number actually compare to the number of people for whom trans acceptance is a deal breaker, but who aren't just going to vote republican regardless?

Third, this does not stop at trans people, and certainly not at trans kids. Once they have demonstrated that they can demonize (and eventually exterminate) trans people, next they will come for other gay people. Trans bathroom bans have often led to cis lesbians being harassed because they don't "look feminine enough." The government is now talking about screening testosterone levels in cis men in the military.

Where will be in 20 years? Will cis men with long hair be forced to cut it off? Will women only be permitted to wear skirts?

These freaks are living in the 1800s, their values and agendas are absolutely not in line with the average person. But, they are able to advance their agenda by selling it one small step at a time, and they're able to keep taking steps because the democrats keep caving and accommodating them, allowing them to redraw the line.

Where exactly is your line? Is there one? Or will you hold on to this logic of "it's not worth standing up for such a small minority" all the way to the gas chambers?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

If it's really impossible to prevent people from gambling on wildfires and from creating financial incentives to start them, then I would strongly prefer that it at least be relegated to the furthest fringes of society possible.

 

The number of false rape accusations is absolutely dwarfed by the number of rapists who get off scot free. While false accusations do happen, to set the standard at only believing women when the perpetrator is convicted in a court of law (which you can find people doing all over lib instances right now) excuses more than 96% of all rapes. There is literally a 4% difference between that, and just straight up excusing rape altogether.

In the particular case of Platner, there was already an accuser who didn't tank his campaign, because people were justifiably skeptical of her political affiliations. The second accuser, however, presented credible evidence, including records of conversations from long before Platner had entered politics. It was only at this point that many different progressive figures who had endorsed him withdrew their support and called on him to drop out. So any attempts to shift the goalposts and pretend that people turning on him will just automatically believe anything and everything any woman says with zero skepticism, are obviously complete bullshit.

"Why did she keep quiet until now?" The vast majority of rape victims never take the case to the courts, ever, because they know that the chances of anything actually coming from it are incredibly low. And when the perpetrator goes free, they will now be in the position of looking like a false accuser, with the social stigma that comes with it.

Here's a little challenge, a way to conceptualize this. Roll a D20. On anything but a 1, a rapist just went free. If you do get a 1, roll it again. On a 17 or higher, the rapist still goes free. Keep rolling that die until you convict a single rapist, and post a comment telling me how many rapists got off before that.

Also, just a reminder: Platner is already out. The justification of, "We need to defend him because he's the only shot against a worse evil" no longer applies. At this point, anyone defending him is just in it for the love of the game. Frankly, if you were excusing his red flags before, you should be reconsidering whether your way of thinking was flawed. But if you're still defending him even now, I don't even know what to say. If no part of "rapist killer-for-hire with a Nazi tattoo" is a deal-breaker for you, then you are not a progressive by any stretch of the imagination.

Now, I try not to talk shit without having the receipts. So here's a little selection of what I'm talking about:

:::spoiler Misogyny

 

Notes:

The map I used didn't include Turkey (US ally) or Gaza as part of Palestine. Palestine and Lebanon are the only countries that have only been attacked by Israel and not the US directly. Pakistan is technically a US ally and Lebanon has security agreements with the US, but neither host US troops.

For every single country in the oil-rich Middle East, the options are to let the US troops come voluntarily, or to fight them off when they attack.

I did another version for China btw:

 
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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by Objection@lemmy.ml to c/socialism@lemmy.ml
 

The political compass is an attempt to reduce incredibly complicated political questions into two simple lines, and people accept it because it aligns with oversimplified narratives and cultural preconceptions.

"Liberty" and "authority" have little meaning beyond "good" and "bad." If authority is defined more rigorously, or if we use more neutral terms like "centralization" or public vs private, then it becomes a lot less clear that what we're talking about is contrary to "liberty." The private sector, and private individuals, can be just as restrictive of liberty.

Perhaps the clearest example of this is the American Civil War. The southerners were the champions of decentralization, they spoke constantly about how they were fighting for "liberty" against the supposed tyranny of the northerners - and the reason they wanted "states' rights" and decentralization is that they would be able to keep people enslaved. It was big, centralized government, that evil "authoritarian" force imposing it's authority that resulted in a greater degree of liberty. But that is not just some freak exception.

If someone can't go out at night without fear of being attacked, that person is no more "free" to go out than if they feared legal repercussions. Governments are, at their worst, no different from a criminal organization, and yet there is this tendency to assign special status to restrictions imposed by the law, rather than being on the same level as restrictions imposed by private individuals or organizations.

And again, we can see how "big government" or "authoritarianism" can increase liberty in the context of regulations, of pollution, of food safety, and of untested drugs. If I can trust regulators to stop a restaurant from serving anything unsafe, then I'm free to order anything off the menu, whereas if not, then everything's a gamble and I might feel restricted to foods I expect to be "safe," if I don't avoid the restaurant entirely.

There once was a time when states viewed things like murder as a personal dispute between families, and didn't generally get involved. This led to all kinds of generational feuds, with people killing each other over a long forgotten dispute between their great-grandfathers. Was that "liberty?" Is that something we should idealize and try to return to?

I'm sure there are people who will read this as me being "pro-authoritarian" and ignoring all the bad things done by states. But that's missing the point. The point is not that centralization or state power are always good, the point is that it's not automatically bad. Having a knee-jerk reaction against it is just oversimplifying complicated issues, and doing so in a way that lots of powerful people want you to do. Because the ruling class understands that they can wield private institutions and privatization just as they can wield public institutions.

You can't just blindly apply an idealist ideological framework of "anti-authoritarianism" to every problem and expect that to produce good results. You have to look at things on a case-by-case basis, applying class analysis.

 
 

This remains relevant as Ukraine has never apologized for these atrocities, continues to reject that these attacks constituted "genocide," and has criticized Poland for establishing July 11 as a day for commemorating the victims. And of course, it still uses the same slogans ("Slava Ukraini"), the same symbols (such as the red and black flag), and reveres Stepan Bandera (who was the head of the OUN, which in turn founded the UPA which carried out these attacks).

 

cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/5524375

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Many abolitionists have complained to me that, as a traveling performer, I have not spoken to my audiences on the issue of slavery. I have received many angry letters attacking me based on assumptions about what my silence means.

Allow me to make my position clear: I oppose the institution of slavery. In the words of Thomas Jefferson, I believe it is a "moral depravity." I feel that way about other things as well.

After the raid on Harper's Ferry, the mood among Southern leaders was an existential panic and unstoppable lust for revenge. It reminded me of the Alamo. There was no reasoning with those leaders, nor could action be taken by congress. It would have required replacing most of congress and overturning decades of bipartisan negotiation and compromises. Even in the best case, it would have taken years.

But even worse, the abolitionist, pro-Negro movement quickly decided that their primary goal was not merely opposition to the reprisals or specifically cruel owners, but opposition to the entire institution of slavery, that is, opposition to the entire way of life of Southern plantation owners. And here they decided to draw the line between decent people and oppressive tyrants, which had the following consequences:

It shrunk the coalition. Most southerners support slavery. Anyone who supports the solution of having slave states and free states supports slavery.

It was politically infeasible. What is the pathway that takes us from the present situation to the abolition of slavery as an institution? I do not see how it could happen without a total collapse of the union. As usual, these Jacobins have championed a doomed cause.

The abolitionists have been distributing hundreds of pamphlets about the horrid conditions of slaves. The main effect of this has been to create a population of people in a constant state of bloodboiling rage with no consequential political outlet.

I fear this may be worse than useless. Yes, there are disingenuous proponents of slavery dismissing and censoring all criticism of slavery on the pretext of "states' rights." But there's also valid fear of historical government overreach and that fear gives power to pro-slavery leaders who say that only they can protect Southern culture.

Does this mean slavery should not be criticized? Absolutely not. But it's something I do not wish to contribute to unless if not outweighed by tangible benefits.

Many abolitionists have been single-mindedly focused on slavery, and the willingness of the Republicans to compromise on the issue, and that focus has had the following effects:

Not a single slave was freed by their efforts. Not one fewer lash was delivered by the owners.

It may have slightly contributed to the election of James Buchanan, ensuring that nothing can be done to stop the expansion of slavery into new states. Buchanan also does not support giving women like me the right to vote. A perfectly enlightened being would feel no bitterness about this, but I do.

None of this is the fault of slaves, of course, who are overwhelmingly the victims here.

But if women like me are ever going to get anywhere in this country, we need a broad movement that stands up for the rights of ALL women, REGARDLESS of their views on slavery.

 

"By your logic, you could justify a foreign armed insurgency against the US government" smuglord

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Wait shit, I gotta come up with a different bit. Germans are already a thing.

 
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