[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago

Incredibly based. Just having someone with a voice in that chamber would be huge.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 hours ago

The Chinese embassy issued a response here

I don't read French, but from Google translate, the Chinese narrative is roughly as follows: Ling Huazhan approached the embassy claiming that he had been taken in by Falun Gong and burned his passport as a protest, but had changed his mind, and was now out of money and in need of help. The embassy put him in contact with a charity that provided him with room and board, while contacting his family in China, who purchased a plane ticket for his return. Due to the delicacy of the situation and his history of mental health issues, he was accompanied to the airport, at which point he abruptly changed attitude and claimed to be being abducted, in order to create a diplomatic incident.

I'm not claiming that that narrative is true, but just describing their response.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 12 hours ago

Yes, that's what I said at the end. The US didn't get involved until directly attacked.

It's notable that the US decided to get involved and to focus on the European theater, despite being attacked by Japan. But that doesn't really tell us about motivations. It could be that the US considered Nazi ideology more dangerous than Japan's ideology, or it's possible they were more interested in Europe for the sake of their allies, or it could've been a purely strategic decision.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago

If he didn’t need to appease the hawks, he’d probably be dove-ish because that’s better for business, and a booming economy gets his name in the news and dollars in his pocket.

War is great for business. You just have to make sure that you're in on the cut and that the costs are borne by other people. You get to use other people's money through taxes to take other people's money through plunder, and in the process you get to give lucrative contracts to military contractors and get kickbacks for it. And Trump doesn't really benefit from a booming economy, especially since he can't get a third term.

I'll agree that he's not as ideologically driven as some of the more dangerous hawks like John Bolton. But in office he was/would be surrounded with those types and can be influenced in their direction. Apathy can just as easily mean telling them, "sure, go ahead, do whatever."

But in any case I would agree that I rate Chase Oliver well above Trump and Biden, so I'd say this is a minor disagreement.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 13 points 15 hours ago

That's a complicated question without a clear answer. It's hard to establish the motivations of an individual person, but much harder when you're talking about the entire country. Generally, people were united in the war effort, but for a variety of reasons. The NYT downplayed the Holocaust and specifically tried to avoid focusing on antisemitism, in part because they were worried that people wouldn't like the idea of fighting a war to protect Jewish people, as racism and antisemitism were very much present. On the other hand, you had people like folk singer Woody Guthrie who explicitly connected the war to anti-fascism in his songs. But there were also plenty of people and media who had been praising Hitler, before he started invading everywhere.

Basically there were lots of reasons for lots of people to dislike the Nazis, so it's kind of hard to detangle who was motivated by what and to what degree. Generally though, if they had kept to their own borders, it's unlikely that any other country would have invaded them just for being fascists, and many countries went through great lengths not to go to war with them, because nobody wanted to recreate the devastation of WWI. Even then the US wasn't willing to get directly involved until it was directly attacked.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

When I say libertarian, I'm referring not solely to the libertarian party, but to Republicans who hold libertarian values. I suppose I was unfair to people who actually vote libertarian.

Idk, he seems closer to a realist dove trying to appeal to hawks. He wants to invest in business, not democracy, so anything he does militarily is largely saber rattling to try to get more favorable trade deals. That’s it.

That's the image he puts on but it's not consistent with his record. He nearly started a war with Iran and bombed Syria and Yemen, for example. As I pointed out, his rhetoric is contradictory and contains both dove and hawk elements, but his actual governance indicates that the hawkishness is more in line with how he'll actually behave.

But don’t vote for Trump, he’s not genuine on any issue, he just wants power and prestige.

On that we agree.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 20 hours ago

If Biden loses to Trump the only people to blame are the ones who didn’t go out to vote. If Trump loses to Biden the only people to blame are the ones who didn’t go out and vote.

Funny, I would've thought that the people voting for a candidate are the ones responsible for the candidate getting elected.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 10 points 20 hours ago

This is about the most incorrect analysis I can imagine.

Democrats right now would vote for Biden if he was in a coma

You would. But this core contingent of "vote blue no matter who" people is not large enough to win in the general.

Biden, unlike other potential democratic candidates is more likely to have some non trump Republicans voting for him.

Biden represents the same thing the Democrats have been offering for decades. Anyone who's a Republican has already seen people like Biden and said, "No thanks, not interested." Yeah he's a centrist, but he doesn't cut across party lines because he doesn't bring anything new or different to the table.

The fact that media is only talking about Biden without urging trump to step down shows me the whole thing is astroturfed.

This is an absurd conspiracy theory. There have been plenty of high level Democrats calling for him to resign, as well as a significant number of Democratic voters. His debate performance raised concerns about his mental competency that everyone who isn't self-deluding can see.

It's completely meaningless to call for your enemy to step down. Why on earth would Trump listen to Democrats and liberal media outlets telling him to step down? What you're suggesting is stupid and pointless, it accomplishes nothing and serves only to justify your conspiracy theory.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago

And? Does that contradict what I said in some way?

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

TIL 32% of Democrats are pushing conservative propaganda to discourage people from voting Democrat.

The "everyone who disagrees with me is a bad actor" conspiracy theories keep getting less and less plausible.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is random and nitpicky, but can we talk about that ad's soundtrack?

Maybe things have changed and I'm out of touch, but I thought the thing was to put suspenseful horror movie music over attack ads, you know, like the classic Michael Myers theme. The music they used is like, kind of dark, but it's more like an action movie, like the way the bass drops at 0:33 is the part of a trailer where they'd so some really cool stunt, and around 0:50 the pace is picking up to where it's like, trying to hype you up to see the movie. Like, it's not that far off from the soundtrack in the trailer for Inception, where it's like, yeah there are some dark aspects to it, but it's still supposed to be fun and entertaining. I know I'm not the target audience, but this just left me wondering when the Kamala movie dropped, and not like, worried about some sinister plot.

The whole thing feels kinda disjointed tbh. At first the message is, "Biden is senile, Kamala is really running thing, and she's gonna let the immigrants in, be afraid," but then by the end the message is, "Haha, Kamala is saying all this incoherent stuff, she's a joke!" It's like they got distracted and lost the plot halfway through a one minute ad. I guess they're just throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks, but it's very unfocused and low effort.

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President Trump kept America out of new wars and brought thousands of brave troops home from Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, and many other countries. Joe Biden has undermined our military readiness and surrendered our strength to the Taliban.

When Trump pulls troops out of Afghanistan, it's "bringing thousands of brave troops home," but when Biden does the same, it's, "surrendering our strength to the Taliban." He brags about "keeping America out of foreign wars" while at the same time bragging about assassinating "the world's number one terrorist," Iranian general Qasem Soleimani, which was an extreme act of provocation.

This is taken from the issues page of Trump's campaign website, and there are several more statements relating to foreign policy, frequently and boldly contradicting each other. It's a perfect example of the "If By Whiskey" tactic. So what's actually going on here? Well, to understand the reasons for this equivocation, we need to analyze the foreign policy positions of Americans.

Broadly speaking, people fall into one of four camps: Idealist Hawk (liberals), Idealist Dove (libertarians), Realist Hawk (nationalists), and Realist Dove (socialists).

Idealist Hawks believe that US foreign policy is driven by benevolence and spreading freedom, and the fact that it repeatedly fails to do so (Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc) is explainable by a variety of excuses. Generally, they are more interested in current events and easily persuaded to support intervention based on seeing a bad thing happening, without a broader analysis or explanation of the situation or how things have played out historically.

Idealist Doves also believe that US foreign policy is driven by benevolence, but they see that as a bad thing. They are generally right libertarians or hold libertarian values, they see war as another example of wasteful government spending as it tries and fails to improve people's lives, which they generally don't see as a valid goal in the first place. Being idealists, they are still rather easily duped into supporting war and militarism, often, they will support a "night watchman state," with police and the military being the only legitimate functions.

Realist Hawks are nationalists who believe that states pursue their own material interests and are right to do so. They are incapable of distinguishing between the state's interest and their own. Some few are rich enough to actually receive benefits from US foreign policy, but most just root for America in the same way that they might root for a football team.

Realist Doves, which I am a part of, do not believe that US foreign policy is not grounded in benevolence and does not benefit the people it claims to be helping, but also (generally) that it doesn't benefit the majority of people at home. We see it as being driven by and for class interests, and are opposed to the class it benefits.

Trump's foreign policy equivocation, and his "America First" slogan allows him to appeal to both the Idealist Doves (libertarians) and the Realist Hawks (nationalists). He can't consistently take any line on any specific thing. If by Afghanistan, you mean a disastrous nation-building exercise, wasteful government spending, and endangering our troops for the sake of helping foreigners, then of course Trump opposes it. But if by Afghanistan, you mean exerting American strength, intimidating Russia and China, and weakening terrorists to keep America safe, then of course Trump supports it.

In reality, to the extent that Trump has coherent beliefs at all, he is a Realist Hawk, a nationalist, and his record reflects that. But part of the reason he was able to get anywhere was because he was able to triangulate and equivocate well enough to dupe anti-war libertarians.

Unfortunately, in American politics, the conflict is generally between Idealist Hawks and everyone else. This is part of what allows the nationalists and libertarians to put aside their differences (the other part being that libertarians are easily duped). Realist Doves are not represented anywhere, the Idealist Interventionists consider us Russian bots along with everyone else who disagrees with them on foreign policy (regardless of how or why), the Idealist Doves are extremely unreliable, and the Realist Hawks may see the world in a similar way but have diametrically opposed priorities.

tl;dr: Trump's halfhearted antiwar posturing is an obvious ruse that only an idiot would fall for, but painting everyone skeptical of US foreign policy with the same brush helps him to sell it and to paint over ideological rifts that could otherwise be potentially exploited.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago

Because suggesting your enemy do things is meaningless.

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What is Soulism? Soulism, also known as anarcho-antirealism, is a school of anarchist thought which views reality and natural laws as unjust hierarchies.

Some people might laugh at the idea and say it's not a serious ideology, but this is no laughing matter. If these people are successful, then consensus reality would be destroyed and we would return to what the world was like before the Enlightenment. What did that world look like? Well, you had:

  • Ultra-powerful wizards hoarding knowledge in high towers, reshaping reality to their whims, with no regard for the common people

  • Bloodthirsty, aristocratic vampires operating openly, and on a much larger scale than they do today

  • Viscous, rage-driven werewolves terrorizing the populace, massacring entire villages with reckless abandon

  • Fey beings abducting children and replacing them with their own

  • Demons and angels waging massive wars against each other with humans caught in the crossfire

Fortunately, out of this age of chaos and insecurity emerged a group of scientists dedicated to protecting and advancing humanity by establishing a consensus reality and putting a stop to these out-of-control reality deviants.

Before, if you got sick or injured, you'd have to travel across the land through dangerous enchanted forests seeking a skilled faith healer or magical healing potion. But with consensus reality, easily accessible and consistent medical practices were instilled with the same magical healing properties. Once, if you wanted to transmute grain into bread, you had to convince a wizard to come out of their tower and do it, and they were just as likely to turn you into a newt for disturbing their studies. But thanks to consensus reality, anyone could build their own magical tower (a "mill") and harness the mana present in elemental air to animate their own "millstones" to do it! These things were only made possible by consensus reality.

Now, I'm not saying that this approach doesn't have it's drawbacks and failures, and I'm not going to say that the reality defenders have never done anything wrong. But these "Soulists" want to destroy everything that's been accomplished and bring us back to the times when these supernatural reality deviants were more powerful than reason or humanity, and constantly preyed upon us.

So do not fall for their propaganda, and if you see something, says something. Anyone altering reality through belief and willpower, or any other reality deviants such as vampires or werewolves, should be reported immediately to the Technocratic Union for your safety, the safety of those around you, and, indeed, the safety of reality itself.

Thank you for your cooperation.

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