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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I see this talking point all the time and I have no idea why anyone would think it matters at all.

Country A has a population of 200 million people and each one has X tax dollars going to the military. Country B, which is directly threatened by Country A, only has a 20 million people and each spends 2X dollars on the military. That means Country B's spending per capita is twice that of Country A's, but Country A's military spending is five times that of Country B. Obviously, Country A is more deserving of criticism for building up a five times larger military with no legitimate threat, while Country B's spending is more reasonable, and might even need to be higher, despite the fact that it's already twice as high per capita. Per capita is almost entirely irrelevant in the discussion.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Print out your posting history and fax it in triplicate to the embassy or corporation of your choice, you can expect payment within 7-10 business days.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Don't kill the part of you that's cringe, kill the part that cringes. Yeah, I'm cringe, I'll happily wear that label, it means nothing to me. Better to be "cringe" than to be an imperialist and a dumbass like you.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

My apologies, I should have realized that you only care about aesthetics and don't care at all about actual reality. The aesthetics of being a pencil pusher are what's important to you, not how many children that pencil is ordering to be murdered. The aesthetics of making a pop culture reference matter more to you than the fact that it was used to make a perfectly valid point. The aesthetics of being "cringe" or "based" matter more to you than actually being able to say anything coherent.

I don't give a rat's ass if what I say is "cringe," I'm still going to say it because it's true. If you want to act like a clown, that's on you.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 hours ago

Domestic collapse and nuking the world are not mutually exclusive.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 12 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

The British Empire wracked up a ton of war debts and tried to levy taxes on its colonies and that kicked off the Revolutionary War. France spent so much money assisting the colonists to own the Brits that they wound up with their own debt crisis which is what kicked off the French Revolution.

Debt is a big problem but generally the way countries acquire debt is getting involved in a bunch of military entanglements. The US dumped a truly absurd amount of money into the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and nobody really acknowledges that aspect of them. We are well and truly spent, massively overextended, and we desperately need to stay out of military entanglements. We simply don't have the capacity for them. There's tons of domestic crises which have just been festering while to government goes galavanting around the world looking for glory and plunder.

There are two paths forward for the US: one where we make massive military cuts, refocus on addressing domestic problems and addressing the material conditions that have given rise to the far-right, and we start trying to play nice and win countries over through diplomacy and investment the way China does, gracefully managing the decline of the empire and leaving the door open to revitalization and possibly even becoming a positive influence on the world. The second is that we keep pouring more and more money into ensuring we have the most lethal military in the world, we continue trying to dominate the Middle East and elsewhere through military force, we ignore rising costs of living and other domestic problems, we keep becoming more and more of a global pariah, and as extremism gets worse and worse we won't have anything going for us but the military and as our only tool we'll apply it to more and more situations, losing more and more ground until we probably wind up nuking the world rather than accepting that we're no longer "number one."

It is virtually certain that we will follow the second path and avoiding that is really the only worthwhile political goal there is.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

What the libs celebrating this don't understand is that a third party doesn't have to be treated with complete hostility. Tucker's party could very well wind up endorsing a Republican candidate, in exchange for that candidate giving them some policy concessions (or bribing them with dark money and/or cabinet positions, of course). This is how third parties can wield the threat of being a spoiler as leverage to get policy they want, and why a right-wing third party isn't automatically advantageous to the Democrats.

What he's probably gonna do is to champion whatever wedge issue is in the zeitgeist that neither major party is responding to at all (a given), and he's going to get the Republicans to give him a small, symbolic, and ultimately meaningless concession on that point, which will lead people concerned about that issue into the Republican party.

If the Democrats were capable of viewing the left with anything short of outright contempt and hostility for daring to question their absolute authority, if they actually responded to democratic pressure from below instead of plugging their ears and giving us nothing but tear gas, then maybe we wouldn't be in the situation we're in now, and maybe we wouldn't have to worry as much about that happening in the future. But it's a given that people will be more frustrated than ever with the duoparty in the next election and it's also a given that the Democrats will absolutely refuse to budge or adapt at all, and so there's plenty of room for Tucker to sweep up voters by actually engaging with their concerns (dishonestly of course).

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 68 points 15 hours ago (7 children)

Don't forget military spending, we're definitely #1 in that.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 21 hours ago

His role is to co-opt anti-war criticism and redirect it back to supporting the right.

After Vietnam, there was a big cultural backlash to foreign interventions, and that backlash was still a thing in 2000, when Bush promised to avoid getting into foreign entanglements.

After Bush started a decades-long conflict that accomplished nothing, there was another backlash, and Trump took advantage of than backlash, especially since the Democrats he ran against were so hawkish, he presented himself as focusing on domestic affairs instead of foreign entanglements.

With the debacle in Iran, you now have various figures on the right like Tucker, MTG, Tulsi Gabbard, etc. who are positioning themselves as opposing it and foreign interventions in general. They are lying, of course, but they're lying because they're smart enough to recognize this pattern and that there are a significant number of Americans who are not nearly as hawkish as the political class and who are desperately underrepresented.

If there was a larger, louder contingent on the left that was making these criticisms (instead of just criticizing how the war was conducted!), then Tucker saying things like this would be pretty unremarkable.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 10 points 22 hours ago

Cruz couldn't give even a rough estimate though. He didn't guess within an order of magnitude because he didn't guess at all.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 22 hours ago

Exactly how it was written too.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Truly, a titan of intellect.

 

Notes:

The map I used didn't include Turkey (US ally) or Gaza as part of Palestine. Palestine and Lebanon are the only countries that have only been attacked by Israel and not the US directly. Pakistan is technically a US ally and Lebanon has security agreements with the US, but neither host US troops.

For every single country in the oil-rich Middle East, the options are to let the US troops come voluntarily, or to fight them off when they attack.

I did another version for China btw:

 
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The political compass is an attempt to reduce incredibly complicated political questions into two simple lines, and people accept it because it aligns with oversimplified narratives and cultural preconceptions.

"Liberty" and "authority" have little meaning beyond "good" and "bad." If authority is defined more rigorously, or if we use more neutral terms like "centralization" or public vs private, then it becomes a lot less clear that what we're talking about is contrary to "liberty." The private sector, and private individuals, can be just as restrictive of liberty.

Perhaps the clearest example of this is the American Civil War. The southerners were the champions of decentralization, they spoke constantly about how they were fighting for "liberty" against the supposed tyranny of the northerners - and the reason they wanted "states' rights" and decentralization is that they would be able to keep people enslaved. It was big, centralized government, that evil "authoritarian" force imposing it's authority that resulted in a greater degree of liberty. But that is not just some freak exception.

If someone can't go out at night without fear of being attacked, that person is no more "free" to go out than if they feared legal repercussions. Governments are, at their worst, no different from a criminal organization, and yet there is this tendency to assign special status to restrictions imposed by the law, rather than being on the same level as restrictions imposed by private individuals or organizations.

And again, we can see how "big government" or "authoritarianism" can increase liberty in the context of regulations, of pollution, of food safety, and of untested drugs. If I can trust regulators to stop a restaurant from serving anything unsafe, then I'm free to order anything off the menu, whereas if not, then everything's a gamble and I might feel restricted to foods I expect to be "safe," if I don't avoid the restaurant entirely.

There once was a time when states viewed things like murder as a personal dispute between families, and didn't generally get involved. This led to all kinds of generational feuds, with people killing each other over a long forgotten dispute between their great-grandfathers. Was that "liberty?" Is that something we should idealize and try to return to?

I'm sure there are people who will read this as me being "pro-authoritarian" and ignoring all the bad things done by states. But that's missing the point. The point is not that centralization or state power are always good, the point is that it's not automatically bad. Having a knee-jerk reaction against it is just oversimplifying complicated issues, and doing so in a way that lots of powerful people want you to do. Because the ruling class understands that they can wield private institutions and privatization just as they can wield public institutions.

You can't just blindly apply an idealist ideological framework of "anti-authoritarianism" to every problem and expect that to produce good results. You have to look at things on a case-by-case basis, applying class analysis.

 
 

This remains relevant as Ukraine has never apologized for these atrocities, continues to reject that these attacks constituted "genocide," and has criticized Poland for establishing July 11 as a day for commemorating the victims. And of course, it still uses the same slogans ("Slava Ukraini"), the same symbols (such as the red and black flag), and reveres Stepan Bandera (who was the head of the OUN, which in turn founded the UPA which carried out these attacks).

 

cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/5524375

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Many abolitionists have complained to me that, as a traveling performer, I have not spoken to my audiences on the issue of slavery. I have received many angry letters attacking me based on assumptions about what my silence means.

Allow me to make my position clear: I oppose the institution of slavery. In the words of Thomas Jefferson, I believe it is a "moral depravity." I feel that way about other things as well.

After the raid on Harper's Ferry, the mood among Southern leaders was an existential panic and unstoppable lust for revenge. It reminded me of the Alamo. There was no reasoning with those leaders, nor could action be taken by congress. It would have required replacing most of congress and overturning decades of bipartisan negotiation and compromises. Even in the best case, it would have taken years.

But even worse, the abolitionist, pro-Negro movement quickly decided that their primary goal was not merely opposition to the reprisals or specifically cruel owners, but opposition to the entire institution of slavery, that is, opposition to the entire way of life of Southern plantation owners. And here they decided to draw the line between decent people and oppressive tyrants, which had the following consequences:

It shrunk the coalition. Most southerners support slavery. Anyone who supports the solution of having slave states and free states supports slavery.

It was politically infeasible. What is the pathway that takes us from the present situation to the abolition of slavery as an institution? I do not see how it could happen without a total collapse of the union. As usual, these Jacobins have championed a doomed cause.

The abolitionists have been distributing hundreds of pamphlets about the horrid conditions of slaves. The main effect of this has been to create a population of people in a constant state of bloodboiling rage with no consequential political outlet.

I fear this may be worse than useless. Yes, there are disingenuous proponents of slavery dismissing and censoring all criticism of slavery on the pretext of "states' rights." But there's also valid fear of historical government overreach and that fear gives power to pro-slavery leaders who say that only they can protect Southern culture.

Does this mean slavery should not be criticized? Absolutely not. But it's something I do not wish to contribute to unless if not outweighed by tangible benefits.

Many abolitionists have been single-mindedly focused on slavery, and the willingness of the Republicans to compromise on the issue, and that focus has had the following effects:

Not a single slave was freed by their efforts. Not one fewer lash was delivered by the owners.

It may have slightly contributed to the election of James Buchanan, ensuring that nothing can be done to stop the expansion of slavery into new states. Buchanan also does not support giving women like me the right to vote. A perfectly enlightened being would feel no bitterness about this, but I do.

None of this is the fault of slaves, of course, who are overwhelmingly the victims here.

But if women like me are ever going to get anywhere in this country, we need a broad movement that stands up for the rights of ALL women, REGARDLESS of their views on slavery.

 

"By your logic, you could justify a foreign armed insurgency against the US government" smuglord

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Wait shit, I gotta come up with a different bit. Germans are already a thing.

 
 
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