Objection

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 27 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

The fact that this comment section is full of "removed by mods" but still has so much racist nonsense... this topic really makes the scratched liberals come out of the woodwork.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Their mouths say pay workers more, their wallets say build more stadiums.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Crossing your arms and refusing to cooperate based on principle, and expecting others to do the same in the same way, is not the move right this second.

And it will never be "the right move this second" in any second for the next 50 years, 100 years, 1000 years following your path. Delaying something in politics is the same as opposing it.

We can still do all of the organizing and striking and educating while still doing our due diligence in making sure that the united right wing does not remain in power. It isn’t all or nothing.

Can you though? You're tying yourself to the democratic party, which means that anything it does to fuck people (which it does constantly) will reflect on you and discredit your movement. You're tying yourself to a sinking ship. And if you take the position that the status quo is acceptable, then why organize to change things at all? Voting is a hell of a lot safer and easier than organizing a strike. If it worked, there'd be little reason to engage in all that.

can we ACTUALLY make a 3rd party president, or can we work from the ground up, starting with local governments and communities

Nobody cares about any race except the presidency. That's unfortunate but that's the truth.

Nobody is forming a political identity around who they vote for for dogcatcher. They form their identities around the presidential candidate they vote for. The most expedient way to change people's political identities is to challenge their presidential choice. The whole reason that this talking point about third parties "working their way up" through downballot races only exists because people don't care what happens in them, it's basically a way to exclude us from any relevant discussion.

Throwing votes at a 3rd party in the current state of US elections is wasting a vote because you were privileged enough to do so.

This is such a nonsensical talking point. "Privileged enough to do so?" That doesn't even make sense. It's not as if anyone is directly rewarded or punished for their vote. How does privilege enter into it in any way?

If anything, I'd say that you're the one coming at this from a privileged position. The Democrats were actively supporting genocide, but you could just ignore and look past that.

I presume that is why you get yelled at - your priority this election was yourself and your opinions rather than trying to protect the safety of your fellow citizens.

This is even more nonsensical. "My opinions" are my best assessment of the best way of improving society and the world, including the safety of my fellow citizens. You're essentially accusing me of putting my sense of morality above what's right - but my sense of morality is what tells me what's right. Your vote is equally based on your opinions. Utterly incoherent talking point.

Granted, this election was a bureaucratic mess, but choosing not to vote Biden/Harris in 2024 signaled to others where your loyalty was (or rather, wasn’t).

Yes, that's part of why I did it. I have zero loyalty to the genocidal, Blue MAGA imperialists, I consider myself a citizen of the world and obviously that means not supporting genocide and imperialism.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

I think it's a pro-worker stereotype, in that it gives people a self-interested reason not to be an asshole or stiff their waiters.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

That sounds like "getting rid of anti-intellectualism," and the literal opposite of "intellectual elitism."

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Great idea! Let's see, step one in "fix our shit" involves uniting workers along a progressive political project. Unfortunately, a bunch of stupid cheap dickheads just stiffed a bunch a workers while trying to pass that off as representing some sort of progressive idea. It's a good thing there isn't any kind of extremely well-funded right-wing political apparatus that will happily use that to promote the idea that progressives are just a bunch of privileged elites out of touch with the actual interests of the working class.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Could just say we need to get rid of anti-intellectualism but has to be phrased in the most provocative way possible because it's on social media 🙄

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Only a European could find a way to express their "progessiveism" by stiffing underpaid workers and somehow acting smug and morally superior for it, as if their shit smells like roses.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

That reminds me of this

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

The fuck are you talking about? Iran doesn't do shit to me.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Four bars is already too many, adding a big red line down the middle is not helping, and tbh if you took away the star it'd at least be symmetrical.

If your flag is gonna be busy, at least be creative and put like a dragon or something on it.

Sorry CAR.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago

Well, according to this headline, you're welcome to attack Platner over it.

 

Notes:

The map I used didn't include Turkey (US ally) or Gaza as part of Palestine. Palestine and Lebanon are the only countries that have only been attacked by Israel and not the US directly. Pakistan is technically a US ally and Lebanon has security agreements with the US, but neither host US troops.

For every single country in the oil-rich Middle East, the options are to let the US troops come voluntarily, or to fight them off when they attack.

I did another version for China btw:

 
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The political compass is an attempt to reduce incredibly complicated political questions into two simple lines, and people accept it because it aligns with oversimplified narratives and cultural preconceptions.

"Liberty" and "authority" have little meaning beyond "good" and "bad." If authority is defined more rigorously, or if we use more neutral terms like "centralization" or public vs private, then it becomes a lot less clear that what we're talking about is contrary to "liberty." The private sector, and private individuals, can be just as restrictive of liberty.

Perhaps the clearest example of this is the American Civil War. The southerners were the champions of decentralization, they spoke constantly about how they were fighting for "liberty" against the supposed tyranny of the northerners - and the reason they wanted "states' rights" and decentralization is that they would be able to keep people enslaved. It was big, centralized government, that evil "authoritarian" force imposing it's authority that resulted in a greater degree of liberty. But that is not just some freak exception.

If someone can't go out at night without fear of being attacked, that person is no more "free" to go out than if they feared legal repercussions. Governments are, at their worst, no different from a criminal organization, and yet there is this tendency to assign special status to restrictions imposed by the law, rather than being on the same level as restrictions imposed by private individuals or organizations.

And again, we can see how "big government" or "authoritarianism" can increase liberty in the context of regulations, of pollution, of food safety, and of untested drugs. If I can trust regulators to stop a restaurant from serving anything unsafe, then I'm free to order anything off the menu, whereas if not, then everything's a gamble and I might feel restricted to foods I expect to be "safe," if I don't avoid the restaurant entirely.

There once was a time when states viewed things like murder as a personal dispute between families, and didn't generally get involved. This led to all kinds of generational feuds, with people killing each other over a long forgotten dispute between their great-grandfathers. Was that "liberty?" Is that something we should idealize and try to return to?

I'm sure there are people who will read this as me being "pro-authoritarian" and ignoring all the bad things done by states. But that's missing the point. The point is not that centralization or state power are always good, the point is that it's not automatically bad. Having a knee-jerk reaction against it is just oversimplifying complicated issues, and doing so in a way that lots of powerful people want you to do. Because the ruling class understands that they can wield private institutions and privatization just as they can wield public institutions.

You can't just blindly apply an idealist ideological framework of "anti-authoritarianism" to every problem and expect that to produce good results. You have to look at things on a case-by-case basis, applying class analysis.

 
 

This remains relevant as Ukraine has never apologized for these atrocities, continues to reject that these attacks constituted "genocide," and has criticized Poland for establishing July 11 as a day for commemorating the victims. And of course, it still uses the same slogans ("Slava Ukraini"), the same symbols (such as the red and black flag), and reveres Stepan Bandera (who was the head of the OUN, which in turn founded the UPA which carried out these attacks).

 

cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/5524375

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Many abolitionists have complained to me that, as a traveling performer, I have not spoken to my audiences on the issue of slavery. I have received many angry letters attacking me based on assumptions about what my silence means.

Allow me to make my position clear: I oppose the institution of slavery. In the words of Thomas Jefferson, I believe it is a "moral depravity." I feel that way about other things as well.

After the raid on Harper's Ferry, the mood among Southern leaders was an existential panic and unstoppable lust for revenge. It reminded me of the Alamo. There was no reasoning with those leaders, nor could action be taken by congress. It would have required replacing most of congress and overturning decades of bipartisan negotiation and compromises. Even in the best case, it would have taken years.

But even worse, the abolitionist, pro-Negro movement quickly decided that their primary goal was not merely opposition to the reprisals or specifically cruel owners, but opposition to the entire institution of slavery, that is, opposition to the entire way of life of Southern plantation owners. And here they decided to draw the line between decent people and oppressive tyrants, which had the following consequences:

It shrunk the coalition. Most southerners support slavery. Anyone who supports the solution of having slave states and free states supports slavery.

It was politically infeasible. What is the pathway that takes us from the present situation to the abolition of slavery as an institution? I do not see how it could happen without a total collapse of the union. As usual, these Jacobins have championed a doomed cause.

The abolitionists have been distributing hundreds of pamphlets about the horrid conditions of slaves. The main effect of this has been to create a population of people in a constant state of bloodboiling rage with no consequential political outlet.

I fear this may be worse than useless. Yes, there are disingenuous proponents of slavery dismissing and censoring all criticism of slavery on the pretext of "states' rights." But there's also valid fear of historical government overreach and that fear gives power to pro-slavery leaders who say that only they can protect Southern culture.

Does this mean slavery should not be criticized? Absolutely not. But it's something I do not wish to contribute to unless if not outweighed by tangible benefits.

Many abolitionists have been single-mindedly focused on slavery, and the willingness of the Republicans to compromise on the issue, and that focus has had the following effects:

Not a single slave was freed by their efforts. Not one fewer lash was delivered by the owners.

It may have slightly contributed to the election of James Buchanan, ensuring that nothing can be done to stop the expansion of slavery into new states. Buchanan also does not support giving women like me the right to vote. A perfectly enlightened being would feel no bitterness about this, but I do.

None of this is the fault of slaves, of course, who are overwhelmingly the victims here.

But if women like me are ever going to get anywhere in this country, we need a broad movement that stands up for the rights of ALL women, REGARDLESS of their views on slavery.

 

"By your logic, you could justify a foreign armed insurgency against the US government" smuglord

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Wait shit, I gotta come up with a different bit. Germans are already a thing.

 
 
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