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North Korea was the one that started the war by invading the South
You can't really "invade" your own country. North and South Korea were two sides in a civil war, with both sides claiming each other's territory and aiming towards unification. It's like saying that George Washington "invaded" Yorktown or that Lincoln "invaded" Virginia.
The South did invade the North though in the US civil war.
And if you don't want to use the word "invaded", I guess you could just say that North Korea attacked the South, kicking off the war
Sure, the North attacked the South. In fact, the North also attacked the North. That's generally how revolutions work, after all.
None of this really pertains to foreigners coming in and levelling the country and dropping chemical weapons everywhere and slaughtering a ton of civilians.
From the Confederacy's perspective, the Union was a separate country.
North started the war and US and other UN troops only came in to help the South after that. The whole thing could've possibly been avoided had the North not attacked.
Yes, and the American Revolutionary War could have been avoided had the colonists simply accepted British rule.
You think North Korea invading South Korea was to liberate North Korea from foreign rule...? Wut
This is more like when Americans went into Canada to "liberate" them
You're acting like North Korea and South Korea existed as separate, established entities prior to the Korean War. That's nonsense. It's projecting the modern state of affairs back into the past. The Korean War is when those entities were established as such. The were communists and anti-communists distributed throughout the whole of Korea, and neither side was interested in setting up a partition that would carve the country in two, until a compromise was negotiated effectively ending the war.
The Republic of Korea leadership was made up of compradors who had been propped up by fascist Japanese invaders and who had switched teams to being running dogs of the US as soon as it became convenient. ~~The revolutionaries rose up against them, first attacking in the north and establishing a foothold before moving south.~~ (My bad, I mixed up the situation with Vietnam) At this point, the US, seeking to assert dominance over a country thousands of miles away, intervened with one of the deadliest bombing campaigns in history, with an extremely high ratio of civilian deaths, many killed by biological and chemical weapons.
Even if the US hadn't been so brutal towards Korean civilians, it still had no business getting involved. This whole argument of "defensive" wars thousands of miles away is nonsense. It's the same argument the fucking Roman Empire used to justify conquering Europe:
-Joseph Schumpeter
The peninsula had been divided since 1945 and they had their separate governments since 1948. Korean War started with the North attacking the South in 1950.
Again, neither side saw the partition as a permanent solution, both claimed the entire peninsula. The decision to partition the country was not made by Koreans, but by negotiations between the US and USSR. Koreans have a right to self determination, which includes not having to accept a foreign-imposed partition of their country. The US had absolutely no valid reason for getting involved in an internal conflict, it was pure imperialism.
The right to self-determination I suppose didn't include South Korean who North Korea attacked?
If Koreans wanted the South Korean government, they could've fought for it. On their own. Without Americans coming in and dropping bombs and chemicals and slaughtering civilians in pursuit of their own interests, in defense of their propped up comprador regime.
Again, it was an internal matter for Koreans to settle among themselves. I have yet to see you provide any reason for the US to get involved. And even if they did have a valid reason, it certainly doesn't justify the way they conducted the war.
The only thing close to resembling a justification that you've said is "the North attacked first." But that doesn't really matter to me. Revolution is inherently aggressive and revolution is not always bad, therefore, being the aggressor doesn't always make a side bad. But even if I did consider the North to be in the wrong, we're not the fucking world police. We had no business getting involved there. Why on earth should we send soldiers, ordinary people, to go off and fight and die on a completely different continent just to further the geopolitical influence of the US government, and the billionaires that control it?
Tell me, who were the beneficiaries of our intervention in Korea? Ordinary Koreans? The ones we dropped chemical weapons on even if they weren't involved in the war? Ordinary Americans? What the hell did we get out of it? No, the beneficiaries were the Korean bourgeoisie and fascist collaborators and the American bourgeoisie, and no one else. Just like every other military conflict the US has ever been involved in, post WWII.
They did fight for it. North Korea was just much better armed and stronger thanks in large part to USSR's help. South asked for UN help and got it, much of it provided by the US. And later on China got directly involved.
It doesn't feel like you're against getting involved in this type of stuff but specifically angry at the US
The UN at that time was a fairly new institution, and China's seat was denied to it and given to Taiwan, leading to the USSR to boycott it. The UN that invaded Korea was mostly just the US and Western Europe, it doesn't provide the moral cover you want it too. Hell, the only reason the UK supported it was because in exchange the US agreed to overthrow Iran's democratic government that stood in the way of BP's profits.
Ideally, neither the US nor the USSR and China would have been involved. But if you're justifying US imperialism by arguing that the USSR and China were being imperialistic, then I see no reason why their positions wouldn't be justified on the same logic by pointing to the US. It's nonsense. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Again, it's a simple question, so go ahead and answer it. Who actually benefitted from the US bombing the hell out of Korea and deploying chemical and biological weapons on its people? And if no one benefitted, then why the hell do you support it?
And yes, for the record, I am "specifically angry at the US" because of the whole "chemical and biological weapons on civilians" thing in this instance and the "global campaign of bourgeois world domination and systematic overthrow of democratic governments" thing more broadly. I don't understand why you people act like I'm not allowed to hate America.
South Korea benefited from UN (and I'm using that since it was UN who was the participant, not for "moral cover") driving North Korea back after they had invaded.
All of the casualties could've been avoided had both governments stayed behind their respective borders. Like how happened in Germany. In this case it was North Korea who attacked into South, kicking things off.
"South Korea" isn't a person. Who actually benefited?
Seeing how things are now, South Koreans
Well then, I hope you get to experience the same kind of "help" that the Korean people received. Maybe if someone drops chemical and biological weapons on you and your family, it'll cause people to be wealthier 70 years from now. Sound good?
I mean Soviet Union did attack us and cause destruction and deaths in name of helping the Finnish people during Winter War. War reparations after the following Continuation War helped us industrialize. And we're now pretty wealthy. So I guess we already experienced some of it?
Maybe the US should pay the DPRK war reparations, then.
Maybe they should've just done that without dropping chemical and biological weapons on innocent civilians first.
If only the Soviets had won, maybe monsters like you wouldn't exist. No wonder you take the side of the Korean fascists, fascist collaborators gotta stick together, huh?
I mean we paid reparations because USSR won. If you wanted to compare Finland and NK then the situation would be that USA won and forced NK to pay the US.
Monster? You're getting a bit emotional
Oh, am I getting emotional? Over the dropping of chemical and biological weapons on civilians? Oh dear!
Maybe you should get more fucking emotional. Like what the fuck is wrong with you? You know the US literally recruited Unit 731 to help them commit atrocities, right? Maybe dropping the fucking plague and smallpox onto civilians shouldn't be treated with fucking "poise and rationality!"
Anyone who defends that shit is too far gone to be reeducated.
I meant emotional to a degree that's preventing you from actually understanding what I've been saying. I've been agains the whole Korean War. It was a complete waste.
Right. You """oppose""" the war in the sense that you oppose the North, in the sense that you support sending troops in. So when you say you """oppose""" the war, what you're actually saying is that you support it.
Why do you fascists always play these word games? We both understand that your position of "giving kids smallpox is good, actually" is completely abhorrent and indefensible, but that's not going to change just because you twist some words around.
I think it would've still been bad if it wasn't the North who started it. Whoever started it of course the other side is going to fight back. So best not to start wars.
It's my hot take that's making you fume and rant about fascists hah.
"I only support infecting children with smallpox, and this crazy leftist called me a fascist over it!"
Maybe try not supporting biological warfare if you don't want to get called a fascist, fascist.
"I don't think North Korea should've started that war, nothing was gained and many horrible things happened because of it"
"You are a fascist who supports infecting children with smallpox!!"
lol
Oh yeah, you really helped those South Koreans lol. Just like Iraqi
Who is "you" in this case?