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Honestly, I would get a Saw Stop if I could afford one. This guy learned he needed one the hard way, but if you do any serious woodworking it's probably the first expensive tool you should upgrade to. Festool gadgets are nice and all but this thing will literally save your limbs.
I do a lot of woodworking and this is an ongoing debate you can find in most woodworking forums: if you use one of these, you're much more likely to need it. So all you're really doing is paying to be lazy and unsafe.
Fact is you can operate a table saw perfectly safely without a saw stop. Proper use of push blocks, paying attention, and basic safety protocol like "no gloves, no sleeves" and you'll never hurt yourself using these tools. It just requires discipline.
Don't believe me, look at the numbers. In the US there's about ten million table saws in operation every year and about 3000 injuries annually. Cars have a bigger causality count. They're perfectly safe tools if you're using them properly.
Why not just get one and practice proper safety procedures?
Didn't you hear him? That's unsafe you lazy bum /s
Does your car have a roll cage? Why not? Parachute breaks? Why not? Five point harness? Why not?
You can keep adding safety features to your car ..why don't you? Theres your answer. Would you buy a car that's going to blow the airbag every time you slam the breaks, then refuse to start until you replace it? Nah. It's a poorly implemented safety feature that's just making the thing not work. Saw stops are exactly that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence?wprov=sfla1
It's the same exact question, if you have safety features available for dangerous tools, ones that cost extra, why aren't you employing them?
Use your words, a link isn't a rebuttal.
Just for fun, here's a bunch of professionals discussing why people who rely on saw stop are a liability on their floor... Up to and including "do not hire". It's exactly what I already described. This tech breeds complacency and there's more tools in that shop than the table saw. Professionals don't use saw stops.
https://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?262574-Sawstop-Injury-I-didn-t-think-this-could-happen/page12
I payed for the safety features I felt I needed and I'd do the same if I was buying a saw.
If you feel you need that feature on a table saw, frankly you shouldn't be operating one at all. Really. There's no shame in that. I am terrified of lathes and I won't use em. I understand they're useful and perfectly safe, but it's just a personal thing. If you feel that unsafe that you'll essentially pay an ante every time you want to make a cut? You shouldn't be using it.
Fact is that saw stop will cost you a bunch of money over the course of using it for a few years. It will ruin blades to protect... Damp wood. Or a staple, often found on lumber. And then you get to buy another charge for a couple hundred bucks. You'll do that twice before finally realizing it was just a money sink in the first place and you won't buy another.
Go ask twenty table saw owners the question, you're gonna get twenty identical answers.
First off, the brake is $100, not "a couple hundred". The blade is ruined, but decent blades aren't crazy expensive either.
A staple won't trigger the saw stop unless you are also touching it. It works on capacitance, and a staple doesn't have any capcitance on its own.
You must only surround yourself with people who are prejudiced against SawStops. Twenty identical answers? Come on! The company wouldn't exist if people didn't buy them.
When everything goes 100% perfectly, table saws are very safe. I have hundreds of hours using them, and not one injury. But if something goes wrong, I'd rather have the safety of a SawStop.
Growing up, my father told me of a friend of his who slipped when operating a table saw and fell face first onto it. He lived, but you can imagine the damage it did to his face. It went right between his eyes, thankfully. A SawStop would have prevented that.
Your car analogies are stupid, too... if I had a choice between buying a car without airbags and one with, I would buy the one with. Same with seatbelts and crumple zones. People like you have been around for hundreds of years saying shit like, "I don't wear a seat belt. They're for sissies."
Accidents happen even when you're taking all of the normal safety precautions. No gives a shit if some forum full of good ol' boys thinks using a SawStop makes you a bad person. Stop being such a hater. If someone wants to buy a SawStop, why do you care? Don't answer that. I actually don't care.
I don't own a SawStop, so I'm not trying to defend my purchase. I just think you're an idiot for going out of your way to trash talk them.
I'm not reading a wall of text for something I care so little about. People can spend their money how they want.
Awh reading is hard.
You don't even own a table saw. I bet you've never even used one.
Your opinion on them isn't near as valuable as that of owners and professionals who use them all the time. It costs you nothing to spread a bad opinion. I'm gonna correct it to help strangers save money. Deal with it.
I don't think I've ever seen someone get so bent out of shape over something so pointless. I hope your day gets better.
A lot of safety features when driving don't exist because of perception more than anything. There was once a push to have car drivers wear helmets. The car lobby instead lobbied to have bicycles wear helmets to change public perception. The truth is wearing helmets in cars would save exponentially more lives than on bicycles. They ended up on bicycles to make people feel like car alternatives are dangerous, even though nothing we do day to day is more dangerous than driving a car. A five point harness is probably a good idea, it would just never get past the car lobby. They don't want people to be reminded that they are driving coffins.
Your example was not a good one because it misunderstands why we don't have those things.