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Girl, 15, speaks out after classmate made deepfake nudes of her and posted online
(www.independent.co.uk)
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His record should be expunged when he turns 18 because it was a crime he committed as a child. I understand their frustrations, but they're asking to jail a child over some photoshopped images.
Making a deepfake is definitely not a heavy crime that deserves jailtime or a permanent mark unless he was an adult doing it.
You don't turn 18 and magically discover your actions have consequences.
"Not a heavy crime"? I'll introduce you to Sarah, Marie and Olivia. You can tell them it was just a joke. You can tell them the comments they've received as a result are just jokes. The catcalling, mentions that their nipples look awesome, that their pussies look nice, etc are just jokes. All 3 of them are changing schools, 2 are failing their years. Because of something someone else did to them. And you claim it's not that bad? The fuck is wrong with you?
Kids are kids until 18 because people mature at different rates. At 18 it is safe to assume most have matured enough. This kid could be 18 mentally, but he could also be 13 mentally.
Why are you trying emotional manipulation in order to justify punishing this one kid as if he was an adult?
Here, let me show you what you just did. Let me introduce you to Steve. His life was ruined because he made a deepfake of a girl he likes and sent it to his friend, but he shouldn't have trusted that friend, because the deepfake then found itself on every phone in class. Steve got a 3 year sentence, forcing early dropout, and due to his permanent mark, he would forever be grouped with rapists and could never find a job. He killed himself at 21. And you claim it's not that bad? The fuck is wrong with you?
I don't think maturity is an explicit thing in a binary form, i would be ok with the presumption that the age of 18 provides a general expected range of maturity between individuals, it's when you start to develop your world view and really pick up on the smaller things in life and how they work together to make a functional system.
I think the idea of putting a "line" on it, is wrong, i think it's better to describe it "this is generally what you expect from this subset"
You right his parents have to be punished. They didn't teach him how to respect other properly.
In terms of paying for damages, you are correct. Sending them to jail though...
I agree with you. I was thinking of something like paying moving fee
Yes, he should face consequences the same way any child should face consequence, by being grounded and shamed, maybe he loses his allowance and gets a suspension.
You don't charge kids as adults, period. They're stupid, they sometimes (often) don't think of the consequences. They deserve more chances.
You need to pick an age as the "magical day" anyway. Not really a good argument
The human mind doesn't even really fully mature until your mid 20s. A 15 year old still has a good full decade until full maturity, and they are notorious for making impulsive decisions without realizing the consequences of their actions.
What he did was wrong and he deserves punishment, but ruining his life too for being a dumb teenager does nothing for the unimaginable harm caused to this girl, it just makes more victims.
I don't know what the right answer is, but I can tell you the wrong answer is to ruin a teenagers life over a stupid act when that isn't going to solve anything.
retributive justice doesn't work.
one of the main reasons people try to treat minors differently than adults is because they recognize that retributive justice is literally giving up on the person and doing the easiest thing for society to deal with them.
especially in cases that involve minors there's a push for restorative, transformational and participatory justice models because they don't give up and fall back on treating the person like an animal.
A kid was arrested, but released pending further investigation, so I'm hard pressed to believe there is no punishment for this. But we're talking about teenagers here, the fact that he could be punished is there, but was not given serious consideration if any at all...because he isn't a fully mature adult. So what would a more serious punishment do?
This is something probably solved with education rather than more punishment.
This is one long strawmen: you're generalizing my argument for this single situation to every situation.
You're basically accusing me of doing what you're doing: thinking in black and white. In my case if I think that ruining his life here with severe punishment is wrong, it must always be wrong.
Ask yourself this. Is there anyone who did something very stupid in HS that turned out to be a good adult without facing severe consequences for their actions? I can think of a few.
You don't mature all at once, but you also cannot place general expectation of responsibility at certain ages either, such as when it is acceptable to babysit or drive. That is entirely dependent on the individual kids' upbringing.
Kids at 15 are not mature enough to do anything. That should be anyone's expectations of a child they don't know.
Heavy punishent will only put more kids in jail. It will not prevent kids from making irreversible mistakes, nor will it undo any of the damage. You just ruin one more life, because in the end, the people who most need to consider the consequences are the parents, and a lot of parents simply are not going to do this. So then what? Kids with shitty upbringings deserve no second chances? I believe they do.
we are literally talking about an image that was made out of thin air, the description of "ruining someones life" is fucking absurd considering the very real alternative in this case.
Perhaps at least a small portion of the blame for what these girls are going through should be laid upon the society which obstinately teaches that a woman's worth as a person is so inextricably tied to her willingness and ability to maintain the privacy of her areolas and vulva that the mere appearance of having failed in the endeavour is treated as a valid reason to disregard her humanity.
Ultimately I'm not sure where I fall on this issue, but the fact that you just mindlessly claimed that this person wants to see tits and clits, when they said nothing of the sort, just exposes how fully you realize you can't defend an actual position.
Common or not, they did not make the argument. You presumed a position and then used that made up position to launch an ad hominem.
I don't know how common it is to argue that women and girls should be treated as though they have worth and dignity regardless of their sexual proclivities and discretion, but it should be more common than it seems to be.
As for your assertion that holding this belief somehow betrays pedophilic sympathies - I have to admit, I don't follow. Although I will say whether the literacy failure in this argument is mine or yours I am content to leave as an exercise to our readers.
There is no contradicton in believing that collectively shaming people who have had porn of them made is wrong and that making nonconsensual porn of people is wrong. Both are wrong. At no point did I say otherwise.
Yeah, nobody said anything even close to this. Cute trolling.
you say this like they're saying that children have to be naked in order to be outside legally. The point they were making is that the primary reason half of what you said was a significant concern is due explicitly to our current social climate and it's values. While not fully relevant, they still made a point, and considering how bad your argumentative rhetoric is, i'd say it's a fair shot at something you said, considering you didn't have much else to say other than accusing someone of being a pedophile i guess.
i have vitiligo on my face, have yet to be mocked for it. People only ask about it respectfully.
actually, no you don't. Very few places have legal protections for privacy, both online, and physically, if you go outside in most states in the US you're being trained on some sort of crime stopping AI dataset somewhere
and by the time they're 18 and moving on to college, or whatever they're probably busy not fucking worrying about whatever happened in high school, because at the end of the day you have two options here:
be a miserable fuck. try to be the least miserable fuck you can, and do something productive.
Generally people pick the second option.
And besides, at the end of the day, it's literally not real, none of this exists. It's better than having your nudes leaked. Should we execute children who spread nudes of other children now? That's a far WORSE crime to be committing, because now that shit is just out there, and it's almost definitely on the internet, AND IT'S REAL.
Seems to me like you're unintentionally nullifying the consequences of actual real CSAM material here.
Is my comment a little silly and excessive? Yes, that was my point. It's satire.
Victims of trauma dont just forget because time passes. They graduate (or dont) and move on in their lives, but the lingering effects of that traumatic experience shape the way the look at the worlds, whether they can trust, body disphoria, whether they can form long-lasting relationships, and other long last trauma responses. Time does not heal the wounds of trauma, they remain as scars that stay vulnerable forever (unless deliberate action is taken by the victim to dismantle the cognitive structure formed by the trauma event).
yeah but we're also talking about something that quite literally never happened, it was all manufactured, and while i don't want to downplay the effects of that.
This is probably the best time ever to start being an e slut because you can just say it was deep faked and people don't exactly have a reason to disagree with you.
Also while trauma is permanent, i would also like to remind you that every life experience you have throughout your life is also permanent, it cannot be changed, it cannot be undone, it cannot be revoked. You simply have to live with it. The only thing that changes your experiences and memories around it, is how you handle it internally.
I would probably be more compassionate with you if we were literally talking about revenge porn, or whatever the correct stipulation would be here, i'm not sure, i don't exactly fuck people on the regular so i'm not really qualified here lmao.
But like i said, this is just AI generated. Everyone knows about AI now, how many people do you think are going to hear that and go "yeah that makes sense" probably most of them. Highschoolers might be a bit more unreasonable, but nothing changes the fact that they simply aren't real. You just have to do your best to dissociate yourself from that alternate reality where they are, because they quite literally, are not.
some people would consider it to be traumatic, others wouldn't. I wouldn't give a shit either way, i might even further the rumors because i think it would be funny. It's all a matter of perspective.