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[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

God forbid Apple take a 0.01% hit to their profits to allow the flow of factual information to people stuck in Russia under a monstrous dictator.

[-] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

The vast majority of russians support imperialism and a majority hold genocidal views (they would never openly agree to this, but on an outcome basis they do support eradication of Ukrainian culture and not only).

Even to this day, every russian with a smartphone has access to uncensored youtube available within 10 secs on their phone.

Not saying what apple did was right, just pointing out the "lack of factual information" narrative is largely incorrect. It's more a lack of respect for the rights others, nihilism and overwhelming supremacism; no VPN or technology is going to solve this.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 week ago

The vast majority of russians support imperialism and a majority hold genocidal views (they would never openly agree to this, but on an outcome basis they do support eradication of Ukrainian culture and not only).

Don't pretend there's any difference to yourself in this though. Just different allowed targets.

Even to this day, every russian with a smartphone has access to uncensored youtube available within 10 secs on their phone.

You have access to whole ass uncensored Web yet I'm certain you don't know shit about siege and ethnic cleansing of Artsakh, while the 3 mediators there were (and formally still are) USA, France and Russia.

And the USA representative publicly said they won't allow ethnic cleansing days before it happened. And, say, in case of Ukraine they well knew months before and were very loud with warnings. And after said ethnic cleansing they immediately started talking the way it became clear that they supported it. And no sanctions have been put on Azerbaijan (which is also a big proxy for Russian strategic exports and imports, but that's unimportant, of course).

So being Armenian I say shut up.

Also no, vast majority of Russians don't support anything such, they are just in apathy because kinda big protests were not successful in changing the government.

I'll add that when those protests were happening, "the West" mostly supported Putin by recognizing his stolen elections, just like they did during Chechen wars and, of course, with opposition to Yeltsin's fascist tendencies. Cause there were lots of money to be made in Russia for politicians making those decisions.

Any such moralizing westerner should go to the frontline and replace some Ukrainian life in the total number of the dead.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

Just different allowed targets.

I'm sorry, I can’t get past that first paragraph. What “targets” do you think most people are okay with genociding? The fact that you think everyone has a group they’d be fine with wiping off the face of the earth completely is extremely concerning.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

I dunno, any of more than a dozen happening right now on this planet with no notable protests or anything in democratic countries and with their governments just doing business as usual with governments perpetrating those.

Where I live it's been 20+ years since a protest changed anything, and now those kinda may get you jailed for an arbitrary amount of years or sent southwest as cannon fodder.

Where you live it's likely different. So.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

Why did you say “everyone has a target they are fine with genocide about” then justify it with a lack of protests, and protests not going anything?

You clearly stated something as fact, then went beyond moving the goalpost, playing a completely different game with your justification.

I can’t think of anyone in my communication circle that would ever shrug off genocide. Virtually everyone not taking part in genocide agrees it’s wrong, and anyone trying to justify it or saying “everyone is fine with it to some degree” is extremely suspect.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

"Everyone" in natural languages is very close to "the majority".

then justify it with a lack of protests, and protests not going anything?

This was incomprehensible for me and requires clarification.

You clearly stated something as fact, then went beyond moving the goalpost, playing a completely different game with your justification.

No, I don't think so. Also don't do that "strict" tone, your logic is not strict and you don't have the authority.

I can’t think of anyone in my communication circle that would ever shrug off genocide.

That's usually done by ignoring those you don't care about. How many genocides you and your circle are not shrugging off? You do realize that a 2-digit number of non-sanctioned UN member countries are doing it right now and you are not protesting?

Virtually everyone not taking part in genocide agrees it’s wrong, and anyone trying to justify it or saying “everyone is fine with it to some degree” is extremely suspect.

Everyone taking part in one agrees it's wrong as well, and says they are not.

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