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I've been experimenting on creative writing tools with a bunch of writer friends, and the setup described in this paper is notoriously shit. I mean they come up to ChatGPT on v3.5 (or Bard lmao) and expect it to write comedy ? Jeez talk about setting yourself up for failure. That's like walking up to a junior screenwriter and yelling "GIVE ME A JOKE" to them. I don't understand why people keep repeating that mistake, they design experiments where they expect the model to be the source of creativity but that's just stupid.
If you want to get output that is not entirely mediocre, you need something like a Dramatron architecture where you decouple various task (fleshing out characters, outlining at the episode level, outlining at the scene level, writing dialogues etc...) and maintain internal memory of what is being worked on. It is non-trivial to setup but it gets there sometimes - even the authors of this paper recognize that this would have probably produced better results. You also need a user able to provide good ideas that the model can work with, you can't expect the good creative stuff to come from the robot.
Instinctively i'd say you have to treat the model like your own junior writer, and how do you make a junior writer useful ? By teaching them to "yes, and" in a writing room with better writers (in this case, the user). In that context, with a good experienced user at the helm, it can definitely bring value. Nothing groundbreaking but i can see how a refined version of this could help, notably with consistency, story beats, pacing, the boring stuff. GPTs are better critics than they are writers anyway.
That being said i never really pursued "pure comedy" on LLMs as it sounds like a lost battle. In my mind it's kind of like tickling : if a machine pokes your ribs you don't get the tickles, that only works when a human does it. I doubt they can fix that in the short or mid term.
Yeah, these things are supposed to be good at writing, aren't they?
Define "good at writing". Good comedy is very difficult to attain and none of the models are anywhere near it, including the more recent ones.
I don't want to.
I concur.
a true conversationalist lmao you're doing great buddy
oh, you were looking for the lmao conversations room? you missed the turn: it’s the last door inside clown school. you’re not even in the right building atm!
hey you're the creepy guy who reads comment history before replying to a conversation aren't you ?
I thought the point of posting your ideas on a public forum was to have people read them.
nah, there’s nothing creepier than giving some shithead the common courtesy of checking their post history to see if they’re somehow like this all the time or if they’re just having a particularly bad night
gonna be honest, I didn’t give this one that common courtesy cause once they get to the stage where they creepjacket other posters for looking at their previous terrible posts, whatever Reddit has done to their brain is severe and irreversible
it's always the ones with a veritable comet tail of receipts
the esteemed poster huffed and puffed at least twice more on their local, which we blessedly don't have to see
such a hilariously pathetic bit of darvo, too. fuckin dipshits.
I didn't even press Next Page! dire
this isn't Oprah Ft Holographic Dr Phil, stop projecting
I merely looked after you went 3 for 3 on idiotic posts
oh yeah silly me. That's definitely not creepy 👍
you can’t even sign off on your shitty posts to the degree that you’re now pretending it’s creepy to click a link and take a 5 minute scroll through your bullshit
it’s time for you and your shitty posts to leave
Dunno what you want me to say. Define the vague concept of "good writing"?
The linked study finds that ChatGPT 3.5 and Bard suck at writing comedy. You claim in so many words that this should be obvious (along with a really dubious claim that machines can't tickle people for some reason). I'm also not surprised that these models are terrible at writing comedy, because even at best of times I find their output bland, trite and crudely stripped of anything potentially divisive.
However, lots of people seem to think that LLMs are good at writing related tasks, so I don't think it's inherently obvious that these tools suck at writing comedy in particular.
All these words make this reply much less fun to write.