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[-] Izzgo@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago

Would someone kindly eli5? The dictionary definition was not helpful.

[-] helpimnotdrowning 19 points 1 year ago

Basically, the idea is that a server can refuse to serve you (or degrade your experience with captchas/heavier restrictions) unless you (your device) complete a "challenge". This could be something like the browser (through a system API) checking some device details like

  • root/admin
  • unlocked bootloader
  • extensions (either bad extensions or something like an Adblock)
  • VPN (potentially "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear")
  • installed apps (Adblock via DNS like blokada,
  • device emulation
  • TPM (generate secure key to make sure device is "real")
  • OS state (heavily modified?, untrusted OS?)

etc. Basically making sure the "environment" is clean and not tampered with (trusted).

The problem is with what defines a "trusted" environment. It could start at just making sure the device isn't rooted (like Android's Safetynet/Play Integrity check; most people don't root their device & don't/won't care, also easily justifiable since it can be a security vulnerability because the device is "wide open").

Then, like the article mentions, the device makers (Google (phones, chromebooks), Microsoft (Windows, Xbox), Apple (macOS, iOS, visionOS, etc), Meta/Facebook (Oculus), etc) could change their terms for attestation and deny approval on stricter, potentially anti-consumer criteria such as device age (forcing you to buy more things).

[-] Sl00k@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago

It's also important to note that Google is doing this already as well. It's almost impossible to use Google with my VPN provider as I'm slammed with 5 captchas every Google.

[-] Zana@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

There are a lot of websites for me that straight up refuse to load if I have a VPN. Even non-important sites.

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