This is why not everyone wants one. EVs are great and I’d love to get one as my next car, but they don’t cover everyone’s needs at every price point, and most people don’t have the ability to charge them at any useful speed thanks to the power infrastructure. There’s also the issue of the second hand market - no one wants to buy a second hand electric car, but most people understand that buying a brand new car is a fools game.

[–] kudra@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (37 children)

I have bought two secondhand electric cars and about to buy my third. Most people still don't understand this isn't quite as risky as it appears.

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago (36 children)

It costs half the price of a new EV to replace the battery. Buying a second hand EV means you have no idea how the battery has been treated, and you know the clock is already ticking until you have to shell out a massive amount of $ for a new battery.

[–] DropBear@theblower.au 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

@Whirlybird @kudra
The condition of a used EV depends on how it's been treated. EVs are not alone in that.

In general, the battery of a modern EV can be expected to last for the useful life of the vehicle. "... scientists discovered that battery replacements were very rare, with only about 1.5 percent of EVs needing a replacement – and almost all of those replacements were under warranty."
https://www.greencars.com/expert-insights/research-shows-ev-battery-replacements-very-rare

#ElectricVehicles
#EVbatteries

[–] kudra@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago

Correct, new EVs have even better batteries than first gen too. My first EV I replaced the battery, but not because they're was anything wrong with it: that battery likely would have lasted at least twice as long, but an enterprising engineer created a battery upgrade that doubled the original range in the same footprint, and we can expect further improvements in batteries, so I expect to upgrade again in future, maybe 10-15 years, and double the range again.

Old EV batteries can be reused and make ideal off grid house batteries.

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A small study by a pro EV company, reported on by a pro EV site......yeah nah lol.

The warranty is what matters. Unless an EV is 10% of its sale price, if it's even within 2 years of its warranty on the battery ending it's no deal. Might it last 10 years past the warranty retaining ~70% of its capacity? Sure. It's possible. Could it also just drop dead at the drop of a hat, or capacity just drop like a rock? Absolutely. One of those scenarios will cost you almost the price of a new car, the other won't.

[–] DropBear@theblower.au 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yet you can only assert your belief @Whirlybird
Even a little trustworthy evidence would enhance your credibility.

"... generally, EV batteries are designed to last the lifetime of the vehicle ..."
https://www.whichcar.com.au/advice/when-do-ev-batteries-need-to-be-replaced

I can keep providing references all day, if you want.

#ElectricVehicles
#EVbatteries

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And that lifetime is what, 8 years according to their warranty?

You can provide references for whatever you want, but like I said - the warranty is what matters. If the manufacturer warranty is for x years, anything after that is not guaranteed and is a massive risk because of how expensive the replacement is. This isn't hard to understand.

You might think there's no risk in buying an electric car that's out of warranty (or approaching the end of its warranty), but the tens of thousands of dollars you'd have to pay to replace the battery 1/2/5 years down the track says otherwise.

[–] DropBear@theblower.au 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

@Whirlybird
The average warranty for internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles varies depending on the manufacturer and region, but typically falls within the range of 3 to 7 years, with some up to 10.
https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/best-car-warranties-revealed-118462/
So you're saying that ICE vehicles typically last 10 years or less.

There are risks in buying anything, new or used. The warranty is just a limited guarantee.

It used to be said of ICE vehicles that they'd never replace the horse. The big problem being that you can't grow the fuel.

With EVs, at least power points are pretty common. That wasn't the case for petrol stations, back in the day.

It's a management issue. The adaptable survived. You're just proving that you're not a survivor.

https://afma.org.au/new-ev-batteries-may-last-beyond-vehicle-lifetime-study/

#ElectricVehicles
#EVbatteries

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A EV battery replacement is multiples of times more expensive than an engine replacement on basically any non-supercar lol.

You've made some bad arguments but that one knocks it out of the park.

[–] DropBear@theblower.au 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

@Whirlybird
Except that EV batteries rarely need replacement. As I've proven time and time again.

Clearly, you have a belief system that is not supported by reality.

https://www.electrichybridvehicletechnology.com/news/uk-research-shows-evs-now-match-lifespan-of-ice-vehicles.html

#ElectricVehicles
#EVbatteries

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Except when they don’t, at which time you’ll be out of pocket tens of thousands of dollars.

People like you are insufferable. EVs are awesome, but they’re not perfect and they’re a much bigger risk buying second hand.

[–] DropBear@theblower.au 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

@Whirlybird
Nothing's perfect. The survivors are those who can work with reality.

The fact that you're unable to substantiate you assertions repeatedly proves my point.

https://www.energyandclimate.qld.gov.au/energy/vehicles-and-energy/electric-vehicles/fact-check#battery-lifespan
#ElectricVehicles
#EVbatteries

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago

Most new EVs come with an 8-year battery warranty, which guarantees they will retain at least 70% of their original capacity

So again, anyone buying an EV that is close to or older than 8 years old is taking a massive financial risk. Every link you post confirms this yet you think it’s proving your point lol

[–] Old_IT_geek@techhub.social 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@Whirlybird @DropBear Whirlybird that’s Bulls..t and now you are blocked.

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

What’s bullshit?

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