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I want my network transparent apps back, and WITHOUT A GPU, wayland ! (lemmy.ml)

submitted 3 weeks ago by interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml to c/wayland@lemmy.ml

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I have heard the dismissal, I have been told I don't matter, I have been told I'm a edge case.

But I'm telling you wayland, I chafe at you taking away my optionality.

Sometimes I ~need~ that feature, and when I need it, I need it bad !

I understand that the IBM money pouring into wayland is super happy about the linux world losing network transparency for apps, stripping power users of their inconvenient toys.

But I'm telling you, I need it.

No, waypipe isn't it.

~~Also, no longer having distinct window managers from the compositor give me serious bad vibes but this isn't what this is about~~

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[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

It"s a compressed video stream, needs both an encoder and a decoder per forwarded app, and with a locked max of 3 or 4 of those per gpu, thats a serious, new constraint that didn't exist before. A lot more bandwidth and gpu as well for typical, flat applications. A computer that can only run 4 apps at a time, presumably shared with a full household, that is really crippling the whole idea.

But I see why IBM would salivate at the prospect of this becoming a premium and rare datacenter feature again.

[–] tekato@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

That would be true if you didn’t have —compress none and —no-gpu options. It took me about 30 seconds to find this information https://man.archlinux.org/man/extra/waypipe/waypipe.1.en

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Raw uncompressed video stream, isn't that going to completely swamp gigabit ethernet with a single maximized window ?

I admit I'm curious to give this a try, but I doubt my 24 core dual xeon e5 is going to manage even one maximized libreoffice calc window comfortably

[–] tekato@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, you got the choice between compressed and uncompressed. Up to you if you want to use GPU or Internet bandwidth. Can’t really avoid picking one unless you use black magic, not even your precious X11 will save you.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, I can have a full screen browser window over the network with X11 sipping kilobits of bandwidth while being designed to run on a 80486. Text and white squares that don't move, don't need hpixelvpixelbitdepth*framerate of bandwidth

on my monitor, this is 3'732'480'000 bytes per second, not viable to send more than 3 such windows over a 10GBe network.

If business interests sell per application portability across the network without using 1 GPU for each 3 instances, or saturating 10GBe links or whole processors just handling the raw video data.

I can see why they would be very excited about the demise of network transparency along with the death of X11.