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https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/lgbtq_plus_christianity

this is probably gonna be controversial, but i mean this for people who actually follow christ's teachings and not to be a cesspool of homophobia and transphobia.

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[–] rglullis@communick.news 0 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Dude I’ve literally shown you how much more I know and understand about Christianity than you do.

Was this a competition? I wasn't aware. Congrats, you won!

Without monotheism, we would already have our gay luxury space communism.

So now you are going to be making two arguments:

  • Explain what is "good" about gay luxury communism
  • Show why no other non-religious society reached that status - which is hard because the best proponents do is "so-and-so atheist society was not real communism" and the worst is "we haven't seen it yet because we need to destroy everyone else to implement it".
[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

Was this a competition? I wasn't aware. Congrats, you won!

No, it's not a competition, but you implied that because you identify as a Christian and I no longer do, that you're in some sort of position of authority over it. ("If that's your only idea of Christianity" you said after tossing out some wild strawman I had nothing to do with.)

  • Explain what is "good" about gay luxury communism

Oh you're making demands of my belief system, when this thread is about whether Christianity is compatible with being trans? No Christianity, a dogmatic religion with Old Testament in its scripture is not compatible with being trans on an ideological level.

One is a hateful ideology that hates anything different. And one is just existing as a trans person. There's no "trans ideology" that is being tested against it, but you're asking as if there were, since the ideology that Christianity has to fight is progressiveness; "being woke", as the kids say. The very thing that Star Trek enshrines.

What's atheists have to do with this? I'm not an atheist, as I've told you.

And no, I won't be hopping to your demands. You've answered none of my questions or explained your views even when I asked nicely. You simply ignore facts about Christianity, literally, and say "well that's no longer the case" "you don't actually have to believe in this sort of thing".

You made a point about a gay man going to an imam. Don't you think that with how large Muslim society is globally that there's literally millions of LGTBQ+ youths who are battling against their even more dogmatic religion? Don't you think it'd be kind of the same thing for a man to be gay and still defend Islam, as if you are (I'm not assuming anything and hopefully haven't at any point) trans and defend Christianity?

Why is it different to be a gay man and defend Islam, than being trans and defending Christianity?

What "status" are you talking about? You do know why the nowadays politically incorrect phrase "dark ages" existed, right? Europe had the dark ages while Asia was bloomimg. First universities were Islamic.

Hell, Christianity got rid of Europe's smartest. And forced it's dogma down everyone's throats for a few thousand years. Christianity came out on top because it was the least accepting and most punishing.

The amount of progressive sociological concepts that Christianity put down in just ancient Norse religion is massive. Greece too.

Do you think a gay man would have had trouble living 2500 years ago in Greece? No. Absolutely none. What about after Christianity took over..?

Edit dammit, sorry I forgot to add the part I meant to write about how being trans and Christian on a practical level is completely different and mostly up to the people in any given local religious community. ideologically it doesn't fit but if you're trans and are asking whether other Christians can accept you? Yes, ofc they can. Christians are great at hypocrisy.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 0 points 3 days ago (5 children)

because you identify as a Christian and I no longer do, that you’re in some sort of position of authority over it

No, no, no... I've been trying like crazy to explain that "what I identify with" is completely irrelevant!

What I am arguing here:

  • You don't have to identify yourself as a Christian to adopt some of its core values and apply them to your own life.
  • I don't think you have to accept it wholesale if some parts of its core values bring meaning to your life
  • (Self-proclaimed) "Christians" who go around judging others based on how much better they are "at following the rules" are completely missing the point.
[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What I've been telling you is that you're wrong.

Name one "Christian value" which you can and should take from Christianity. And that is specific to it. Not like "Christianity teaches us that you shouldn't kill everyone you see on sight" like the golden rule I mentioned earlier.

No.

A Christian value.

Go ahead.

I'll wait.

No, you just keep defending this bullshit and then you wonder why we have to go through wars and shit.

Stand up and call monotheism the cancer it is. There's nothing inherently good in it. Nothing. But there is a lot of inherently bad things, like dogma, and straight up anti-LGBT values.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What I’ve been telling you is that you’re wrong.

Oh, no! Not again!

Go ahead. I’ll wait.

Ok, you can wait.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Deflecting again? Wow. So surprised. You can't answer anything or define anything.

Yet you imagine you're in a "debate"? Thanks for the laughs.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yet you imagine you’re in a “debate”?

No, I never said I was in a debate. Did I?

If you don't mind me asking: how old are you?

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

No, I never said I was in a debate. Did I?

argumentum

You use words you don't understand? (That's a rhetorical question, I can see you do.)

"Dogma", "sacrament"? It's all Greek to me...

Name one “Christian value” which you can and should take from Christianity. And that is specific to it. Not like “Christianity teaches us that you shouldn’t kill everyone you see on sight” like the golden rule I mentioned earlier.

No.

A Christian value.

Go ahead.

I’ll wait.

No, you just keep defending this bullshit and then you wonder why we have to go through wars and shit.

Stand up and call monotheism the cancer it is. There’s nothing inherently good in it. Nothing. But there is a lot of inherently bad things, like dogma, and straight up anti-LGBT values.

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