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[–] Emi@ani.social 10 points 5 days ago (31 children)

Most important? I'll never go into debt, just won't spend money I don't have. It's a no brainer for me.

[–] tequinhu@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (8 children)

You (and the other guy that replied) are indeed thinking of usury (which is a very evil thing, even frowned upon by most religions), which is the situation of lending assets to for the sake of profit

Debt on the other hand is a more general concept, did you ever borrow a pen from another person? While you were writing you were in debt for that pen (but this is a silly example that can be disregarded)

Did your parents take care of you as a child? In most cultures, thar means you're in debt and owe them care when they get old (though I understand that this varies from culture to culture, but the idea is there anyway) If you are friendly to your neighbors and they invite you home to dinner several times, you are also expected to pay back the favor sometime down the road, this is another form of debt

To sum it up, debt is much more intrinsic to our behavior as humans than we usually think, even though "formal debt" might not be

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social -1 points 5 days ago (7 children)

This is not debt, and I maintain my point. Debt is wrong

If you lend out your pen and they break or lose it, a little bit of trust between you dies. And this is something inevitable over time. If you give your pen to them and they give it back once they get their own pen, trust is built. If they don't, that's fine too... Because you gave it to them

You can't count favors, and you shouldn't have debts. Debts ruin relationships, it feels bad from both sides. It feels bad to know they owe you, it feels bad to owe a debt. It feels like a relief to have it paid back, but it doesn't feel good

You should help people, but when you give someone money to start their business you should never expect it back. You can spread ideas like honor and gratitude, but if the business fails you shouldn't feel like you lost something

If you take care of your parents because they raised you like a child, you're asking for elder abuse. In these cultures, the parents try to chip in however they can... In hard times historically they'd wander out into the wilderness to avoid burdening the family.

But the term for this is not debt, it's duty. A good person is patient with their children and their parents. A good person does what they can for their family, the whole way through

Shitty people take out their anger on their children and resent their parents for every bite of food

[–] iii@mander.xyz 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It is debt, even if you fail to see that :)

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You could frame it as debt, sure

I'm saying this is a bad framing and you shouldn't frame it that way, because it's more pro social not to think of it that way

[–] iii@mander.xyz 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's not framing. It's a textbook example of debt.

It's ok to say you didn't quite knew what the word meant. No need to try to give it a new definition, just because you didn't know. 😄

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Words shape the interpretation of reality. They're also fluid

I know what it means. There's a difference between a moral imperative and debt in the sense I'm trying to draw boundaries around

You can actually just shape language because you feel like it. it doesn't always catch on, but I've had pretty good results personally

[–] iii@mander.xyz 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 points 4 days ago

Oh my God, that's do bold. I know exactly what you mean. Clearly you've influenced the English language meaningfully

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