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submitted 1 year ago by bonkerfield@slrpnk.net to c/vegan@slrpnk.net

But then I remember I didn't take their children away, hook them up to a machine to extract food from them, or kill them. And that makes me feel like making fun of carnists is not so bad.

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[-] Lininop@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

And this moral high horse logic is exactly why vegans get the reputation they do.

[-] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Abolitionists had a similar reputation in the 1700s and early 1800s - slavery in the US couldn't be abolished, it was crazy to call for a total ban, reasonable people could compromise, etc. And we all know how that ended.

Change starts with people who refuse to compromise their morals, no matter the social or legal consequences.

Veganism needs proud vegans.

[-] Lininop@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

And in my opinion that's fine, I can honestly understand the vegan view point, and how frustrating it is to see other living beings being exploited for our gain. There is a difference between what you are describing and people who make every effort to make snotty self righteous remarks every chance they get.

At that point it isn't even about the movement anymore, it's about the individual saying these things to feel morally superior to others. They are not helping by reminding their friend that is eating an ice cream that the cow was kidnapped and raped unprompted. They gain nothing by doing that except boosting their own ego and likely making their friend unwilling to hear their view point in the future.

[-] bonkerfield@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 year ago

It sounds a lot like you want us to be silent so you don't have to think about it.

Most people intellectually understand that torturing and killing animals is wrong and they don't want to do it. But they can put it into the back of their minds unless the vegans in their life remind them of what they look like to us.

And personally, I firmly believe that getting those little reminders from my friends added up over years for me until I realized it was worth it to make the change.

[-] Lininop@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

I don't want you to be silent, I do lots of thinking about it as is and have had discussions with vegans before. I don't mind doing that, and neither did they.

My point is there's a difference between reminders and making off hand dismissive, self congratulatory remarks.

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