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Is it at all possible that instead of being pushed away, we are instead getting pulled toward something huuuuuge via gravity? As if we are falling into something way greater than ourselves? I thought this was a wild idea but after I Googled it I found out that there is such a thing as a “Great Attractor”. Something 150 million light-years away is literally pulling all nearby galaxies towards it but no one knows exactly what it is.

So how do we know there aren’t any other Great Attractors, Greater Attractors, ad infinitum?

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[–] spauldo@lemmy.ml 53 points 2 years ago (19 children)

Everything not gravitationally bound is moving away from everything else. Every single point in space is growing larger. That means that things farther away from you are moving away from you faster then things closer to you. That's true no matter where in the universe you are.

There's not really an "away" from the big bang. That's something science communicators fail to explain - the big bang happened everywhere. Space may have been infinite in size (we don't know) and it still happened everywhere.

I'd recommend looking up the YouTube channel for FermiLab. They've got some excellent videos on the subject.

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (9 children)

So I'm getting bigger? How much per year?

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

No. Local attractive forces, like gravity, especially those at the atomic level, overpower the expansion for tightly coupled systems. So the earth isn't expanding, and neither are the people on it. I don't recall exactly what scale it kicks in at, but there is a good chance it's not even affecting the distance between planets in a system. Most likely it only plays a role in inter-planetary-systems and larger. Ie, stars get further apart from each other.

Edit. This explains it better https://www.astronomy.com/science/does-the-space-inside-an-atom-expand-with-the-universe/

That says that the expansion really only applies to the space between galaxies. In anything smaller than that, gravity still overpowers the expensive forces. Making it far weaker than I initially thought.

[–] qjkxbmwvz 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's at a much, much larger scale** than that


our local group is collapsing in on itself, and it's ~10M lightyears in diameter.

** talking about length scales only makes sense in reference to the specifics


two bananas separated by 10M lightyears, with no other matter nearby, would (I'm guessing) be expanded away, but a cluster of galaxies will not.

[–] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Using a banana for scale really made this so much better. :)

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah, finally I can imagine the vastness of space. Thank you, bananas!

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