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[-] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 year ago

Stepping into the issue slightly, it becomes interesting. Ignoring the trans element, for now.

There's an interested debate here about parent's rights to choose how to parent. Now we as a civilization have decided that there are red lines that parents cannot cross. An extreme example: parents cannot beat their children as punishment. And there's a lot of not-quite-illegal things the government does a lot of education around, like drinking during pregnancy, in order to improve the quality of parenting and the quality of life for children. So government intervention in parenting is already, largely established -- at least when it comes to certain topics.

The government, however, does not intervene as parents take their kids to "Sunday School" and indoctrinate them (oops, my own experiences and biases are showing). And generally, parents are allowed full control over their children's lives unless they cross that red line. Few parents exhibit full control, micromanaging every aspect of their child's life, but they probably could and be in the clear, legally -- at least when the child is in their physical proximity.

Abstractly: schools, and specifically public schools, are not parents. They have to follow a set of rules set by society at large. And largely, aside from educating the students, they serve as a means to prepare students to become functioning members of that same society. This means that schools need to enforce some sort of public normalization on the students -- the exact form of which should reflect the society the students will enter, more or less. Optimally, they're preparing students for a society that will exist in the future, not the one that exists today, or one that existed in the past, but it's hard sometimes to know what that future will look like. You take some best guesses about this future society.

So now we have the conflict between the individual and the society. A parent yields some control when sending their kid to a public school, in the hopes that they will become a productive member of society. And this debate is about exactly how much control is yielded. And this debate is in many ways a core debate for our whole country - one of which can encompass residential schools, multiculturalism, religion, and more. Sometimes the guesses made about future society are off the mark, and what is intended to be a policy for good turns into a policy that was retrospectively harmful. We won't know until the future arrives.

But then the discussion gets completely overwhelmed by transphobic dogwhistling, and the resulting backlash, hiding the core of it.

[-] oneofthemladygoats@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

You're missing the point by focusing on function of the players involved. Policies that protect trans students are ultimately rooted in risk assessment. There are risks to personal safety if someone is outed facing an unsafe environment at home. And to wellbeing and, ultimately, personal safety again if someone is forced to live as a gender they don't identify with. These risks, on both sides, are drastically reduced by offering a safe space and support in being who you are. The delineation of responsibility between parents and schools in preparing kids for their lives is separate from how to best offer support for the safety and well being of queer kids.

[-] zork@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago

People keep saying "protect trans students" but what does that functionally mean? They get higher care/priority over other students getting bullied? Can you explain what it means exactly? It all seems very vague and needlessly divisive if you ask me.

[-] oneofthemladygoats@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

These aren't vague points at all. I mean, it's understandable if you aren't aware of the elevated suicide rates among trans people and the impact of gender affirmation in suicide prevention in that regard, the body of literature supporting that isn't all that accessible to lay people, but surely you're not ignorant to the fact that someone else brought up in this very thread, that parents can abuse kids for being trans (or just queer in general), and if someone doesn't feel safe being out at home, there's usually a reason... right?

No one is saying that trans kids should take priority over other kids who are "getting bullied", that's missing the point by a wide mark. Maybe you didn't intend it, but you're sealioning here, the answers you're asking for are already available to you in this very discussion. Creating a safe environment for kids isn't some zero sum game. Advocating for trans students isn't about making them a "higher priority" over other kids. Frankly, approaching issues like that is what creates division, not advocacy and acceptance.

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