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[-] squaresinger@feddit.de 99 points 1 year ago

Tbh, I don't really get the hate that Ubuntu gets.

I mean, I do understand that people don't like some of the decisions made with Ubuntu (e.g. snap), but especially for people who don't use an OS for the sake of using that OS and just want to use their PC to get stuff done, Ubuntu/Kubuntu are quite good.

You have a mostly consistent UI that can do most important configs without touching CLI. Manuals and simple guides are easy to find, even in other languages than English (which is important for quite a big number of people outside the US).

And contrary to some other, smaller distros, Ubuntu isn't run by just 1-2 people and you can trust in it still existing in 10 years. (Obviously, this is true for many other distros, but some quite widly used distros are run just by a tiny team of hobbyists)

I mean, I'd get the reaction if someone claimed they are Linux users because they use Android (though with enough knowledge you can also get a full Linux distro running on Android in chroot).

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 year ago

"Use Snaps"
"No" (installs .deb)
"Fuck you, use Snaps"
(The Snap Store is a proprietary closed-source black-box that updates your snaps without asking and every part of this statement was a deliberate planned feature by Canonical)

[-] squaresinger@feddit.de 24 points 1 year ago

I mentioned this in the comment you answered to. But as I said, this might be an issue for people that use Linux because they really hate anything that isn't GPL, but 97% of the people on this planet care more about whether something is simple to use than what license it uses, as evidenced by the market share of Windows, Android, Chromebooks and Apple products.

Wouldn't it be better to get some of them to use Ubuntu with snaps than to stay on their proprietary platforms, because packet management sucks and conflicts are basically impossible to solve for someone who's not a software developer?

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

Linus swore that Bitkeeper wouldn't alter the agreement further, like a mad egotistical movie villain.
Canonical is very clearly funneling their userbase towards a Snap-only environment (something that already exists as an option).
As the sole keyholders, and as a for-profit business, what is the next step?

Is it to maintain a wealth of options, even when that cuts into profit margins? What about when those options are competing products (think Gnome and KDE back in the Unity days)?
These things just do not make sense from a business perspective, and they will not be necessary once their userbase is locked into the Snap walled garden.

As to your point about licenses and market share, default non-options and limited choices aren't compatible with conversations about choice.

[-] droans@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

How many major distros aren't run by for-profit entities nowadays? If you want any sort of enterprise use, you need to offer a 24/7 live support plan.

I guess the big difference is that Canonical is hoping to make money off the home users too.

[-] bjorney@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

The Snap Store is a proprietary closed-source black-box

Every part of the snap store running on your computer is open source.

that updates your snaps without asking

If you don't want your snaps auto-updating, turn auto updates off. snap --help

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

I looked into it. You're right.
They implemented the ability to permanently hold all automatic updates.
After five years of debate during which they consistently claimed that the whole point of Snaps is that developers can push whatever, whenever.

[-] droans@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I'll just use apt to bypass the snaps...

$ sudo apt install xyz
Installing snap for xyz...

Okay what the fuck

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