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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Averrin@lemmy.world to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world

Correct me if I'm wrong. I read ActivityPub standards and dug a little into lemmy sources to understand how federation works. And I'm a bit disappointed. Every server just has a cache and the ability to fetch something from another known server. So if you start your own instance, there is no profit for the whole network until you have a significant piece of auditory (e.g. private instances or servers with no users). Are there any "balancers" to utilize these empty instances? Should we promote (or create in the first place) a way how to passively help lemmy with such fast growth?

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[-] goldenarchmage@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's a bit worse than that actually. I'm now seeing several communities with exactly the same name that originate on different servers - so clearly Lemmy doesn't have a rule about duplication once you cross a server boundary. That's going to get unwieldy quite fast particularly if, I dunno, "Aww" gets popular on two separate servers at the same time - I guess I'll have to subscribe to both...

[-] YoungPrinceAmmon@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

I don't get argument about duplicates. The same situation was on reddit - you've got few, sometimes more, subs about same topic. You could subscribe to whichever you wanted. Why on Lemmy this is suddenly a problem?

[-] kadu@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago

I think users are still having trouble with the mental model for browsing Lemmy.

The first interaction with the service is already fragmented - you need to choose where to create an account and start browsing. Even though you can browse communities from other servers, people are now seeing them through the lens of "fragmented" "my server vs other server" and that creates the illusion that these duplicates are somehow a huge issue.

But duplicates can actually be quite useful - a community called "memes" on Lemmy.world could attend to a different audience than a community also called "Memes" but made in an instance entirely in French.

Also, if two instances have two communities you enjoy, with the same name... Subscribe to both? Nothing stops you from doing that. It's okay. Reddit had "me_irl" and "meirl" which were the exact same, but with different mods, a relatively similar number of subscribers and quite honestly the same content. I didn't know the actual difference between the two, and I still do not know - I just subscribed to both and kept getting depressing memes to cry before going to sleep. No issues.

[-] LookThere@fedia.io 14 points 1 year ago

That's a really good analogy. Still, there needs to be an easier way to search remote communities. Copy pasting community links in search bar is really clunky.

[-] ScreaminOctopus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

It would be really nice if the search would show all communities in federated servers, and maybe communities in servers federated with those severs, etc.

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