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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)
[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 14 points 4 days ago

I think you'll find Guangdong did a lot of the actual building.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 4 days ago

According to some roblox wiki also the richest person (in roblox). So wonder if it is libertarian goes monarchist.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Today in "propaganda I didn't think I needed to worry about" - Cybertruck kids books!

And another one! This one actually has a good title in "The Ugly Truckling" and I'm legitimately mad as the father of a truck-obsessed child that it's wasted here.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 5 points 3 days ago

I have some songs for your truck obsessed child (possibly NSFW)

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Pivot to AI: Amy is retiring! Probably! yes my cowriter has heard the call of revolution and will be having full and frank debates in the marketplace of ideas. WIth sweet reason.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 12 points 4 days ago

Send her my thanks for her service! o7

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I distinctly recall a lot of people a few years ago parroting some variation of "well I don't know about Bitcoin specifically, but blockchain itself is probably going to be important and even revolutionary as a technology" and sometimesI wish I'd collected receipts to say "I told you it's not".

Here we are, year of Nakamoto 17 and the full list of use cases for blockchains is:

  • Speculative trading of toy currencies made up by private nobodies
  • Paying through the nose to execute arbitrary code on SETI@Home's evil cousin
  • Speculative trading of arbitrary blobs of bytes made up by private nobodies

And no, Git is not a fucking blockchain. Much like the New York City Subway is not the fucking Loop.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

you forgot sanctions evasion, volunteering as a liquidity pool for iranian laundromat, and north korean ransomware

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Ok, maybe cryptocurrencies made those a little bit easier than doing the same thing with MMO money or having to mail physical goods. I can even go out on a limb and credit the blockchain itself for them, even though the design kind of makes transactions inherently more traceable than some possible aleternatives do.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The rise of ransomware and cryptocurrencies sadly are linked.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I know, that's why I'm giving them this one.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No worries. I do agree ransomware industry might not have taken off or at least might have taken off a lot slower if the victims had to make a gold mule video game character or mail cash or precious metals through seedy relay addresses to pay the ransom. So I'll habe to credit cryptocurrency, if not necessarily blockchain per se, for that dubious achievement.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 4 days ago

Yeah good point on the blockchain tech split vs actual cryptocurrencies. Esp considering the stories some of the exchanges basically did away with the blockchain for internal trades.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

there are always swiss banks and abu dhabi charities

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

So the far right people are already infighting each other with disinformation. Now they are accusing others of being part of the USAID thing. See this tweet by I,hypocrite (lporiginalg) (Note the guy is a bad guy (an anti-Semite for example), so this is fasc on fasc action).

"So let me get this straight...

Vaush

Aella

Richard Hanania

James Lindsay

Were all funded by USAID? WHO ELSE?

<community note pointing out this isn't true>"

They are coming for you Aella, hope you have an exit strategy (Just saying: Publicly burning bridges, and dropping the chatlogs of others would create a lot of goodwill on the anti-fascist side, and would be a good first step in rebuilding trust with some people (even if for a lot this cannot be regained)).

Perhaps using a lot of lying shitheads to get political clout is a bad idea, as even when you are in power, they will not stop lying (and being shitheads).

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Basically this is the usual battle between the literal neo-nazi antisemites and the more mainstream fascists who've pivoted from virulent antisemitism to anti-muslim racism and support for Israel (but that won't stop them from having a go at the (((globalists))) every other day). Fun for all.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah very much whoever wins we lose. We should just build a large trebuchet and fire them all into the sun. But sadly the gov does nothing.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 11 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The gov is currently just another faction of the fash infighting.

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[–] nightsky@awful.systems 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

There are days where I think that desktop Linux usability has gotten so good, it has come such a long way since I started using it in the late 90s, and that now it's really good. And then there are days like today, where I just install some system updates, reboot, and suddenly I'm greeted with:

Note: I have absolutely no idea what "Fcitx" even is. Or why and how it's launched, or whether I'm actually using it or not. Or what this notification is trying to tell me exactly, and whether it is desirable for me to "improve the experience" with it. Or how the latest updates caused this. It appears that it has something to do with keyboard input, I guess. I assume that I could find out more by crawling the web. But honestly, I'm just too fucking exhausted to even bother figuring it out. I don't even want to know how much lifetime I've already spent chasing Linux problems like that.

[–] mii@awful.systems 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fcitx is an input method editor used to type different languages, especially those that need to be composed from context (Chinese, Japanese, Thai, etc.) I believe it comes preinstalled with KDE (at least in kde-full it does, unsure about the smaller packages), but it should be totally safe to remove if you don’t need this functionality.

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 11 points 4 days ago

Thanks! I uninstalled it and things appear to work normally.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I dunno, still not as bad as the last Win10 update I was presented with that wanted to resize the recovery partition and shrink my C drive at the same time. That was the push I needed to switch to my Gentoo install and never look back. I presume that Windows is probably pretty decent about live partition resizing these days, but I don’t know that for sure, and I don’t want to waste time being concerned about it on a system that’s mainly for gaming anyway.

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 10 points 4 days ago

Yep, I'm certainly not claiming that Windows is better at it these days... (Possibly unpopular opinion: Windows usability peaked with WinXP.)

[–] khalid_salad@awful.systems 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I hate LLMs so much. Now, every time I read student writing, I have to wonder if it's "normal overwrought" or "LLM bullshit." You can make educated guesses, but the reasoning behind this is really no better than what the LLM does with tokens (on top of any internalized biases I have), so of course I don't say anything (unless there is a guaranteed giveaway, like "as a language model").

No one describes their algorithm as "efficiently doing [intermediate step]" unless you're describing it to a general, non-technical audience


what a coincidence


and yet it keeps appearing in my students' writing. It's exhausting.

Edit: I really can't overemphasize how exhausting it is. Students will send you a direct message in MS Teams where they obviously used an LLM. We used to get

my algorithm checks if an array is already sorted by going through it one by one and seeing if every element is smaller than the next element

which is non-technical and could use a pass, but is succinct, clear, and correct. Now, we get^1^

In order to determine if an array is sorted, we must first iterate through the array. In order to iterate through the array, we create a looping variable i initialized to 0. At each step of the loop, we check if i is less than n - 1. If so, we then check if the element at index i is less than or equal to the element at index i + 1. If not, we output False. Otherwise, we increment i and repeat. If the loop finishes successfully, we output True.

and I'm fucking tired. Like, use your own fucking voice, please! I want to hear your voice in your writing. PLEASE.


1: Made up the example out of whole-cloth because I haven't determined if there are any LLMs I can use ethically. It gets the point across, but I suspect it's only half the length of what ChatGPT would output.

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

My sympathies.

Read somewhere that the practice of defending one's thesis was established because buying a thesis was such an established practice. Scaling that up for every single text is of course utterly impractical.

I had a recent conversation with someone who was convinced that machines learn when they regurgitate text, because "that is what humans do". My counterargument was that if regurgitation is learning then every student who crammed, regurgitated and forgot, must have learnt much more than anyone thought. I didn't get any reply, so I must assume that by reading my reply and creating a version of it in their head they immediately understood the errors of their ways.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I had a recent conversation with someone who was convinced that machines learn when they regurgitate text, because “that is what humans do”.

But we know the tech behind these models right? They dont change their weights when they produce output right? You could have a discussion if updating the values is learning, but it doesnt even do that right? (Feeding the questions back into the dataset used to train them is a different mechanic)

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago

That's true, and that's one way to approach the topic.

I generally focus on humans being more complex than the caricature we need to be reduced to in order for the argument to appear plausible. Having some humanities training comes in handy because the prompt fans very rarely do.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] swlabr@awful.systems 9 points 4 days ago

not sure if this is entirely ignorable as a tactic or if the counter-tactic is to post similar stickers but with references/QR codes to classic shock sites.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] khalid_salad@awful.systems 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

AI alignment is literally a bunch of amateur philosophers telling each other scary stories about The Terminator around a campfire

I love you, David.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 12 points 5 days ago

If Jason Wilson calls you for a quote, you give him your best.

[–] ibt3321@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 5 days ago

If only the Supreme Court had as much of a spine as the Romanian Constitutional Court

Law prohibiting driving after consuming substances declared as unconstitutional. Of course, the antidrug agency bypassed the courts and parliament to pass it anyway.

See also: Constitutional Court cancels election result after Russian interference

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 6 days ago (3 children)

at long last, we have found genai use case

result: decisive chinese cultural victory

tumblr screencap of 4chan screencap with text: deepseek is the only algorithm that does my fetish with gusto no questions asked. as a result i have installed a portrait of the honorable chairman xi in my goon cave

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

+6 culture generation for each person gooning under a portrait of xi jinping. china's borders will expand quickly

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