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Does federation have a bit of a learning curve? No doubt.

Is Lemmy buggy as heck? Absolutely.

But I don’t think that really justifies a lot of the comments I’m seeing in Reddit alternatives threads that it’s hard to figure out. The front page feed and sort options are very similar to Reddit. Searching for same-instance communities is not too difficult. Posting, commenting, and voting are all quite intuitive. What’s the problem?

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[-] eleitl@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Consider that slight entry barrier to be a feature. Do you really want the Fediverse experience to be a 100% copy of Reddit?

[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@vlemmy.net 3 points 1 year ago

A lot of people don't really understand computers. We mostly know how to manipulate the user interface (UI) to get the computer to do what we want, but if you switch up the icons or install a new desktop environment, I guarantee you that 99% of users will be completely lost.

This is because the UI abstracts the complex process of running a computer so that the user can just think about getting things done. The user doesn't need to know what it means to "go to the start menu and click the Notepad app." Practically, this is Windows-speak for "open the default text editor". However, if you take a Windows user and drop them into a Linux and ask them to open up the default text editor, they probably won't know how to do that unless a Windows-like desktop environment is chosen.

Basically, a lot of people don't "know how to use Reddit" so much as that they know how to get the Reddit website to do what they want it to. Lemmy is even slightly different than Reddit, cosmetically different. Although we usually use the phrase "cosmetically different" to imply that the difference is not important, because we rely on GUIs to understand computers, cosmetic differences are really important in UIs.

Go look for posts on Lemmy discussing Jerboa and the other apps. The apps mostly differ in how the user is able to interact with the site. They should all have the full functionality of Lemmy (or are working towards it), but the ways of presenting that functionality to the user are different.

One of the most important groups that moved to the Threadiverse were the blind community. It is because of the inaccessible user interface in the Reddit app that they decided to move over.

And let me be very clear that the fact that computers abstract away their complexity is very much a good thing. That's why we have computers: to do tedious, complex work automatically and simply. Not everyone needs to be a computer expert, but I do think that developers need to resist the urge to make cosmetic changes that don't improve functionality. I realize that this is an ill-defined tall order. Regardless, we need to be aware that most people don't know how computers work.

I think that, in order to get people joining our communities, we should try to be compassionate and helpful when it comes to users learning how to use site. Actually, this is a special case of my more general position that we should try to be compassionate and helpful in the face of people who are confused and trying to learn, whatever the subject. I know it can be hard; if I'm being honest, I have a bad habit of getting annoyed at people who don't look like their listening. But we need to unlearn that.

[-] TriLevelSync@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

You way overestimate the tech literacy of the average Joe or Susie.

[-] sota2077@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That seems to be what basically every person is doing lately. They act like there is no difference between Lemmy and Reddit. Sure, signing up is easy. But understanding subscriptions is a different situation entirely.

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[-] cowvin@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly. There's a reason Apple products are so successful. Apple does a fantastic job of hiding away unnecessary details and giving users a very slick, polished interface that usually does what they want. I'm not even a person who buys any Apple products.

[-] metic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That’s why I’m asking about this. What am I missing here that’s supposed to be making it difficult?

[-] density@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

How to find the established community you want to be involved in.
And humblebragging.

[-] aquarisces@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I feel like certain users are echoing others in terms of the “oh it’s too hard/complicated” - I don’t know, imo not really just sign up, subscribe to your mags of interest which will pull across the fediverse and engage (up/down/comment) as much as you like lol… really not that hard but I guess change is hard for people (but then it’s not really much a seismic change? I don’t know - I guess I like trying new things).

[-] livus@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

In terms of people who didn't fully understand the fediverse, there are two kinds of people:

  • those who want to fully get their head around it first so they can make optimal decisions

  • those who are happy to just jump in and learn by doing

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[-] Gamers_Mate@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

It took me a little while to figure out reddit. After migrating from reddit I actually found it easier to pickup this time around. I am sure some people might have some trouble but as long as we make this place welcoming and helpful for new users asking questions people will want to migrate.

[-] UserNotFound@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I used Joey for Reddit, it has better UI than Reddit. Yes, I have problem with UI on Lemmy, terminology is confusing. It will work out, somehow

[-] Truaxe@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I also used Joey, and this is the first time during this whole debacle that I've seen someone else mention Joey in the wild. I was starting to think I was the only one not using Apollo or Sync or RiF.

[-] spark947@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I asked someone who wrote a huge reddit post about it, and they responded with "idk, I just looked at it and didn't get it."

I think people are just resistant to change, and only want a system that they think is 100% a clone. Honestly, IDK how you look at lemmy and don't think it looks like reddit, but I guess it is just that browse local is the default option. I guess browse all should be the the default for now, but I actually like browsing by local first to see what is going on in my local instance before looking at the rest of the fediverse.

[-] tal@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I asked someone who wrote a huge reddit post about it, and they responded with "idk, I just looked at it and didn't get it."

UI labs record a person trying to use something for the first time so they can see what they get stuck on. Like, mouse movements, clicks, even eye-tracking.

Not saying that the Lemmy or kbin devs should be doing that right now, as they've got full plates. Or that Reddit did this. But understanding where and why people get stuck is a big part of working on UIs.

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[-] iamsgod@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

is Lemmy buggy as heck? Absolutely.

dunno, but this is the main reason I juggle between Lemmy and Kbin. Lemmy is more intuitive/similar to reddit, but it's buggy and has an ugly UI. Kbin has a better UI and less buggy, but has some questionable design

[-] AdamBomb 1 points 1 year ago

I can't either, but I'm also on the border of don't care and actively glad. Maybe there won't be such an Eternal September here. That would be a win.

[-] required@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Any website that doesn't have a simple sign up in two steps (username/email, password) and everything clearly explained to them like a 5 year old will receive tons of complaints about being confusing. It's just the internet

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