200
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 03 Apr 2024
200 points (86.0% liked)
Asklemmy
43326 readers
1119 users here now
A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions
Search asklemmy ๐
If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!
- Open-ended question
- Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
- Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
- Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
- An actual topic of discussion
Looking for support?
Looking for a community?
- Lemmyverse: community search
- sub.rehab: maps old subreddits to fediverse options, marks official as such
- !lemmy411@lemmy.ca: a community for finding communities
~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
Eliminating work wouldn't actually be enjoyable.
We just need to reform society so that people aren't required to be employed to survive.
Humans inherently like to work and be productive. The problem isn't working, it's employment under shitty companies.
I've had this argument too many times with newcomers to antiwork that I'm not going to do it again with you. But ask yourself this: If people so desperately want to work, why do they dream about winning the lottery so they don't have to? Why do they save up their entire lives to enjoy their golden years not working?
Stop looking at this from the bottom of a 6,000 year old hole that tells you that you need to justify your existence to your superiors.
I said people want to work. I explicitly said that the problem is employment, which is not the same thing as work, so I don't know what "my superiors" has to do with this.
Work can look like a lot of different things. Cooking, gardening, producing art, building things, leading people, building or supporting communities. Even training in and playing sports is "work". (There's ridiculous amounts of money there in the world of sports, and athletes are compensated for their time, including that spent training, so it's really not that strange when you think about it)
Humans are built to enjoy feeling productive.
How would you spend your retirement? Many people re-enter the workforce. Many people volunteer their time to various organizations.
Even if your idea of a perfect retirement involves endless consumption of entertainment, I'd argue that a lot of entertainment effectively simulates various kinds of work. Video games are a prime example.
You totally didn't read the first sentence
Yeah, because you didn't understand what I said.
Sounds like justifications for the Protestant work ethic that had to be socialized into us at torture-point. Stop trying to keep your cogs. "The chattel, they yearn for the menial factory line! They yearn for the cotton gin! They ache for feeling like they produced something!" They could make art, they could spin your culture; but we both know that's not what you're talking about.