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[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 88 points 4 months ago

I work in big tech, and you would be amazed at how many people will openly decry pure acts of malice against employees - laying off the day before their stocks vest, removing remote working, gaslighting, etc, but who will also openly decry forming a union.

Funny enough, even highly educated people have some weird notions about what a union would do for them. They think it'll make the workforce weaker, will reduce their salary significantly, and will promote laziness and job losses throughout their teams, with absolutely zero evidence to back it up.

What these people are doing is literally paying for the benefits of a union, without the actual union aspect, and with very little power on their side. All a union needs to be is:

  • Collective bargaining for a minimum salary offered
  • Access to a union rep for disputes
  • Access to a union lawyer that specialises in conflict resolution

That's it, and all for a small fee every month/year.

[-] brax@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 months ago

I never understood the "promote laziness" thing. A union wouldn't be able to protect a worker that can't meet the requirements of the job.

If anything, either management isn't providing adequate training, or management needs to make better job descriptions.

[-] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 months ago

never understood the "promote laziness" thing. A union wouldn't be able to protect a worker that can't meet the requirements of the job.

Overachievers get told to stop being better than the lower-quality workers in poorly run unions because "it makes Bob look and feel bad when you do twice the work he can in a day"

It's not a great reason but if you experience it once it leaves one hell of a sour taste in your mouth, especially since poorly run unions also usually aren't doing good at protecting workers

[-] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago

Also when people in the trades work extra hard and extra fast, it's usually at the expense of their bodies, equipment, safety, and other factors. Just because one dude is sprinting back and forth between the parts window and the shop floor doesn't mean he should be. Management doesn't care though, and they say 'see how Jim finished 3 work orders today? You all need to do that'

Jim gets mad because he is destroying his body to work faster, and others aren't, everyone else is mad because now the managers think Jim's behavior should be standard.

All the 'fast' mechanics I worked with were always doing dumb shit, like standing too far up on ladders because a taller one wasn't available, loosening harnesses to get into tighter spots instead of working with a teammate, or carrying two way to heavy items instead of making two trips. Yes all this stuff gets jobs done quicker but at what cost.

So the union tells Jim to slow down, because he isn't getting paid more for breaking his back, and his behavior will just shift to the new normal, meaning he will have to work even harder to be an 'overachiver'. Jim construes this as compensating for lazy employees, get propagandized by the xompany and dismantles the union.

Six months later Jim falls off a ladder and can no longer work in that field. Meanwhile everyone else is still held to Jim's 'good work ethic' standard. More injuries, more injuries, more mistakes, employees start to see problems with the company, they form a union, the cycle continues.

That was my experience in aviation at least.

[-] BallsandBayonets@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

And yet in this very comment thread there's someone complaining about their union "protecting the old guard" who are "lazy".

I am fully in support of doing the bare minimum, as long as you're not making anyone else's job harder. The only time you "should" be doing more than the minimum is when it's your own personal company, or it's work that actually betters society beyond making money.

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