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The shady world of Brave selling copyrighted data for AI training
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this post was submitted on 15 Jul 2023
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Yeah and I expect it from those companies. I guess I was naive enough to think Brave would be better than this.
But then I didn't know about Eich's homophobia, antivaxx beliefs and basic awfulness either (as mentioned in the link u/Xaeris mentions.)
Honestly I don't care about his political beliefs, and Brave search is the only competitve independent search engine out there, it's genuinely a joy to use. Until AI crawling gets banned they aren't doing anything wrong.
Brave continues to be the best mainstream private browser, backed by actions instead of empty words like Firefox.
you know that this "I don't care that this person holds bigoted beliefs and thinks that some people shouldn't have rights, they make the good computer program so who cares" attitude is why so many people think that tech guys are reactionary, right?
Well I am already used to using software from people who I don't agree with in politics.
We are using one right now, Lemmy's devs are AFAIK tankies, and that doesn't really matter.
Also not all people share your political opinions.
how are you going to call "this group shouldn't have the rights that everyone else has" something as quaint as a "political opinion"
They are not the same rights.
you know, it's really funny that every time someone goes "I don't care about 's open political opinions, only that they keep doing/making the thing I want" they invariably end up being some kind of right-winger
You know it's funny that everytime someone says something you don't like they are immediately right wingers.
I don't even live in the west to have anything to do with left-right politics. And its fine that many don't agree with your view points, aren't the myriad of companies putting LGBTQ flags enough for you?
You don't think there's anything wrong with selling you the 'rights' to other people's content?
You are being sold access to their AI model, not just content. OpenAI is doing the same thing, and until the court bans that, it's legally ok, if you are asking morally, then that differs from person to person, and for companies any competitve edge is worth it.
I personally stopped caring as its going to happen anyway, the only way to stop it is the courts to get involved, as any search engine won't be competitve without AI assists.
And even that isn't clear, we don't know if AI learning is fair use or not, they are many arguments on both side, with big names like the EFF siding with the fair use.
I guess I am asking morally. I expect this sort of thing from Bing and Google but it surprised me to see a company that is privacy focused basically trampling over someone elses IP to the point they feel they can offer rights to someone elses content and make money from it.
Obviously, this was before I learned what sort of person Eich is. Now I'm not surprised. I guess we all have to decide if something goes against our own principles enough to use/not use something.
It's nothing privacy invasive. It's a way to improve their search engine, these hit pieces against brave always get over amplified for no reason.
Privacy invasive or not, it's not right what they're doing and, in my opinion, speaks to their ethics as a company. That in turn leads me to mistrust choices they might make in the future, including regarding privacy.
I guess the crypto stuff along with the ads just made me not at all shocked by this. Not that I think it's a bad browser, since I've had people I tried to explain addons too who found it too confusing so needed an out the box built in solution. But, Firefox continues to be my go to for years and years.
You linked to the Alexandrite app, not lemmy itself.
Whoops - sorry, fixed it now.
Better :) Use "copy URL" not "copy fediverse URL" next time though and it will keep the person in their same instance and they won't have to login.
Dunno if you edited it, but now it links to the sidebar rules.