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People say this but I think the actual reality of living it is a lot different. I've read accounts of a lot of people who defected from socialists countries, particularly Cuba, and lack of access to consumer goods was often the number one thing they complained about. Ive also read accounts of westerns who defected to socialist states and a lot complained about being bored as fuck cuz there wasn't much to do in their free time. Free healthcare is great but you only really worry about that if and when your sick, meanwhile the boredom of eating nothing but rice and beans gets to you every day. Now sure, I've also read a lot of those defectors ended up regretting their decisions cuz once the novelty of cheap fried chicken and good TV slop wore off the crushing weight of having to work 2 full time jobs to afford an apartment set in. And also yes a big part of the reason it's that bad in a lot of socialist nations is embargoes by the west, if they were able to trade freely you could probably do socialism with more ice cream and video games. But I do think even in the best case scenario international socialism is gonna mean there's a few generations of belt tightening for most westerns in terms of consumer goods. Free housing and healthcare may be a salve on the wound a but a lot of people are gonna be pissed about no more avocado toast in winter.
I really don't understand what either of you are talking about tbqh. Since Clinton's presidency upwards of 50% of Americans are in service work, very few people are in these industries where people actually take propaganda seriously (ritzy tech workers are). But it's like advertising, you know it's bullshit, but it hints how people will view you for buying a product, and that's pretty unavoidable.
For 90% of us propaganda works primarily by 70% omission, rest is some depressing watered down truth to direct our attention towards, and indecipherable screeds which as we read them we can tell are not for us, or sometimes even talking down to us with bloodcurdling austerity bullshit. With our eye for media criticism we can translate them: "i am a failson and i was handed this job" "i want to bomb iran so bad it hurts" "fuck you die die die get sick fuck your kids, i think your bodies will sponge the virus for me, only my kids get air filters muahahaha" etc.
There is of course a reason people are coming to the US to be exploited for higher wages than they can get at home, but US workers are still headed into a position where they have no way to survive in this shrinking empire. Many people are losing their homes and dying.
We don't need to try to reason with people who really take the NYT really seriously or have a bunch of reddit karma, that's a small fraction of the population. It's good to relate this to dependency theory but not if we leave out inequality and where all the wealth and debt is in the US.
Yeah and a lot of those workers still make enough for afford Xboxes and meat on their plates for all 3 meals a day. They're getting fucked by the housing market and it pisses them off, but it hasn't occurred to most them that having a government with an actual socialist housing policy may mean having to cut back on the treats. There's a reason why NATO-anarchism is the most popular leftist current in the West.
I mean, what structure is there to translate their political will into reality in order to assume this not happening is because of a lack of interest? Also stamping shit out is getting more expensive as things get worse. All the main orgs here are not just compromised but a hydra that's part of the NGO complex.
what metrics are we even using here. wouldn't that be larger shitty-unionism? what are you basing this off of?
The fact that for every one ML I encounter in the west I encounter about 20-30 succs or "anarchists-who-want-to-nuke-Iran"