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no! That’s not how unions work in capitalism. A union can’t decide the business side of things. There’s a clear separation of responsibilities. There are, of course, other types of societies in which workers have this power, but then there’s not real point in debating the role of the union in that completely different context.
Union-lead society wide innovation for the sake of the current workforce is probably the dumbest thing i’ve read in a while.
Ahahahaha right, I love how you just accept the legally defined rights of what a union can do and what it can’t as if those laws in any given country aren't just a record of the battlefield between the working class and the ruling class. A union can do whatever the fuck a union wants to do, and the law will attempt to constrain it in favor of the ruling class and capitalists to the degree that is politically tenable in a given environment. Sometimes it will be successful, sometimes it will fail, but unions fundamentally exist outside of capitalism because they have a level of legitimacy that capitalism and the idea of owning other people's labor will never have.
It hardly needs to be said that like libraries, if unions didn’t already exist as a concept there is no way they would be legal at all if they were developed in this day and age. Unions are only ever temporarily legal along limited contexts under capitalism.
high five solidarity my friend, even when you insult my intelligence you are still far more my friend than my boss will ever be
Sorry, i wasn’t aware you were advocating for Anarcho-syndicalism. I thought we were having a conversation in good faith about the current situation. Good luck with your revolution
Thank you!
Hey bud, if you cant imagine a world without [oppression] please step aside. The rest of us have work to do to end the violence. We know it's time.
I cannot imagine a world without oppression, this is true. However, I grew up long ago in a world where oppression came from those who said they'd overthrow it last time. They were using the same ideas you flaunt around and much like you (or whomever the person I was talking to before was), they had superficial understanding of what they were advocating for.
What a boring, tired attempt.
Sarcasm: Oh well, better just throw our hands up and allow right wing authoritarians to pursue their narrow minded cycles of exploitation and heirarchal domination. /s
In fact, organizing non-heirarchal is quite proven. Doing so on a scale we're discussing, and Truly Breaking the Cycle of the Planetary Work Machine well, see for yourself, there's more imagining to do.
Are You An Anarchist? The Answer May Surprise You
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am attempt at what? not everyone has a hidden agenda, who are you talking to?
Noone is accusing you of the very obvious, beligerent actions of the right wing authoritarians who ceaselessly perpetrate moral panics using fear based propaganda to consolidate their power.
Anyway, Andrewism's latest video directly addresses your originally expressed concern:
https://youtu.be/lrTzjaXskUU?t=2634
It is not the single, momentous tsunami that shapes the coast, but rather the many small waves that erode the land with time.
Not some tsunami to be scaremongered, but the regrowing of dormant ability to self-govern, which requires us to heal and educate from so many woundings and ills, misinformation and disinformation 🫶
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Oh yes, somebody without any formal education on the subject and no credentials whatsoever except the fact that they have a face to put on a vide is the perfect person to quote here. Well done.
It seems you have a vested interest in discrediting and disencouraging anyone from imagining or exploring all the ways in which a better world is possible. How peculiar.
You can imagine whatever you wish, but quoting random people is just stupid when you have access to actual research (incidentally the same material used by those nobodies in a twisted way to manipulate you). Get out of the youtube rabbit hole, there are no rabbits at the end of it.
The many cited publications and texts found within say otherwise =)