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@stanleytweedle
> I don't care if you celebrate or not.
If you care so little about whether or not people celebrate death, why do you care so much when someone says to not celebrate death?
Because it's self-righteous, we've been over this.
@stanleytweedle How is it self-righteous?
Maybe google it if it's an unfamiliar term for you. Also check out 'moral superiority'.
@stanleytweedle If you don't know how it's self-righteous, don't say it's self-righteous.
I won't google the definition of words for you. But it's very self-righteous and morally superior if you ever get around to looking those up.
@stanleytweedle Your inability to defend your position speaks for itself ๐คท๐พโโ๏ธ
The fact that you think it requires any 'defense' is kind of funny.
@stanleytweedle Fair point. Why would anyone want to back up claims they make? Just saying things and refusing to demonstrate how or why you're right is normal. Proof that you're right, even.
I don't need to demonstrate it, you already did.
@stanleytweedle That's true, I guess "go google a word" counts as demonstration ๐
The demonstration of self-righteousness was preaching to strangers about how they should feel about a dead person. If you genuinely don't understand how that is self-righteous, well... that makes this even more fun somehow.
@stanleytweedle Is it self-righteous to also preach to strangers that killing people is wrong?
lol- how is that related to this conversation?
@stanleytweedle It's a cognitive dissonance test. They're quite fun to do.
You're saying that telling people what to do in one case is self-righteous, and I'm wondering you think that applies in all cases.
So you think the act of murder is comparable to how one speaks of a dead person?
@stanleytweedle Nope. Red herring (and strawman) fallacy btw.
Still curious, is it always self righteous to tell someone what to do?
If binary thinking is all you're capable of I'd say you should err on the side of caution and just never tell anyone what to do. It's more complex than that but clearly this is your limit.
@stanleytweedle It's strange that you don't even know your own opinion about what makes something self-righteous or not.
It's clear you think telling someone not to celebrate death is self-righteous, and its your right to hold to that opinion. The weird part is not knowing why you think it's self-righteous.
Of course, you do say you know why it's self-righteous, but that's pretty much the only explanation you know of, apparently ๐
Like, is it because it's telling people what to do? You don't know!
I know you won't understand any of this but I'm bored.
You actually can tell people not to celebrate death, for instance if it's your family member- you're within your rights to be upset because you have a relationship with that person. So if you think Pat Robinson was a good dude, it's actually not as self-righteous to say "Stop that, he was a good guy!". That would be silly for other reasons though.
But if you don't have a dog in the fight, it's pretty self-righteous and morally superior to just rant that strangers can't be glad someone that caused them pain is dead. Not everyone shares the vacuous sentiment that the dead should be uncritically revered and expecting them to is as silly as them expecting you to celebrate with them, but I haven't seen anyone asking for that.
As far as telling people not to murder... yeah- actions and words are inherently distinct. Hilariously weak point but I do like the energy.
@stanleytweedle Okay. So it's not that he was telling people what to do, but rather that it's okay to celebrate somebody's death if they were a bad person who's unrelated to you, is that your position? And how does that line up with self-righteousness? As far as I know, self-righteousness refers to thinking you're morally superior to other people, but the logical conclusion of your argument here would be that he was just wrong, not self righteous specifically.
I think you should just stick to the idea that self-righteousness means 'telling people what to do'. That seems to be as far as you can go with this. Do another 'cognitive dissonance test' on me- that was funny.
@stanleytweedle
I did the cognitive dissonance test but you failed already.
"Self-righteousness is telling people what to do, that's why I told that person what to do"
"Is it wrong to tell people what to do if it's murder tho?"
"No, of course not!"
The only way to get out of this logical quandary would be to claim that self-righteousness is bad, but that would have defeated your grounds for criticism in the first place.
I enjoy reading your interpretation of this conversation.