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I am an amateur historian. I remember someone posted something completely wrong to push an anti immigrant agenda, like Muslims and Christians have never lived in harmony in history. I then pointed our Jerusalem constantly switching hands and pilgrim rights being respected, Coptics living under Mamalukian rule peacefully and overall under Ottomon rule 600 years later there's still large swaths of Orthodox in Turkey just to name a few times. I got bombarded with comments, dms, all my posts on reddit were like downvoted and this crowd followed me to other subreddits to downvote and trash talk. Someone posted you follow R/Hometown so your from X Hometown. It was a very weird situation and I reported it all, it cleared up but I'm 60% I was targeted for being an active poster who leans left. I genuanlly thought I was one step from being doxxed..
there are entire villages in northern cyprus where they speak Greek to one another, only switching to Turkish when a foreigner walks in the room.
There are monasteries and mosques dotting the countryside in equal measure
Your experience of that is pretty much the key reason I've not bothered to explain this outside of a very limited specialist community I owed a lot to as I was putting it together.
I keep seeing new finds that would be really interesting to discuss, and I kind of hate seeing users confused about their own ancestral history while sitting knowing the answers, but I'll be damned if I'm going to be the one putting controversial answers out there in a more public way.
People are fucking nuts and it seems each day care less and less about actual truth and facts and more about tribalism and confirmation bias to the point of irrationality.
Over the next few years a lot of stuff will be identified by AIs capable of better correlation of data points than researchers to date, and then it can be the AI that gets to be the object of crazy people's ire and not actual humans that were just nerding out over research and data.
So in short, does the evidence linked mean that Jewish history and origin don't align sith the Bible? Shocker. As if anything in there shouldn't be taken with a bucketful of salt.
It's more the opposite.
That the mythologized history in the Bible does check out to a surprising degree for a LBA/Iron Age tribal ancestral origin of many Jews alive today.
The problem is it's not for the Israelites and Judah, and that's what's going to be the very controversial part.
So... the origin aligns with the bible, but what happened after that, doesn't? Sorry if I'm being annoying, I'm still a bit sleepy and trying to make sense of this.
Yeah.
You literally have a story in the Bible where a dude gets what appears in the text to be a matrilineal birthright stolen from him by the guy named 'Israel.'
Basically as time went on there's this aggressive rewriting of earlier periods of the history. It's hard to identify exactly when this happens (the Bible suggests it's earlier on, but the reforms are anachronistic given discovered communications with Jerusalem and a Greek historian in antiquity claimed the history of the Jews had recently been edited by Persian and Macedonian rulers).
But much like how Greek stories made pretty much everyone important Greek, the Israelite and Judean version of their history made everyone important Israelite or Judean and had the stories take place locally where they definitely didn't happen.
After the 10th century BCE the Biblical history starts to check out more and more, but before that it's not at all true for the people and places claimed. But it seems to be in line in parts with attested history of different people who were settled in the area between the 12th and 10th centuries BCE.
I've experiences this on Lemmy and have blocked some instance, but probably just gonna give up on Lemmy too. I think I'm over talking to people (or bots? Who knows...) on the internet. It's all bullshit anyway, politics, memes, advertising, blah, blah that doesn't actually provide any meaning or positive things to my life. I was a passive observer of the internet for a long time before getting more active on reddit, and then Lemmy. I'm so tired of having to defend my opinions and people trying to start arguments out of nothing, and I don't care enough to research political shit to provide a truly airtight argument before someone tears it apart, or whatever else other fight someone is trying to start on any given day. At one point I was arguing about something with someone, and we both had the same position: "Trump is bad", but for some reason they were really going after me, even though we're on the same side, because i was consuming "too much conspiracy news" thinking that the 2024 election was gonna get violent from Trump's supporters. Really just over the social aspect of the internet in general, to be honest.
Modern misinformation is often let's find some common ground so I may "Seem" altruistic. It's unfortunate as common ground us the best way to reach people but it now being weaponized. "Trump is bad but atleast he's not Biden, who is supporting the genocide in Gaza!!" Like Trump wouldn't be doing the same shit, like come on..
Yup, yup. Really sick of having to defend a fact that a color is red, because someone else calls it magenta and now I have to go back and explain color theory and try to have an airtight persuasive argument to 'win' for something as obvious as a color... Or Trump...
It's all apart of the plan, muddy the water, cause static, tire people out. I seen some mega bullshit bait posts of late on Lemmy of late (foreign bride stuff?). It's best to downvote move on and not write 9 paragraphs but just say look heres the article sum in 2 sentences and move on. So atleast if someone follows the conversation they can say "we'll here's proof so I won't bite on the troll bait".
Ahh , case in point, downvoters to the rescue.