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I think Lemmy has a lot of Far Left people on the site. In this instance, I'm referring to people who are staunchly against capitalism and often in favor of communism, even if they don't support CCP or Russia. I've also noted a higher-than-normal instances of anarchists here.
As for specifically pro-China shills, I've only seen one, but they were very active in c/worldnews.
If Lemmy grows in popularity, I expect we'll see the community shift more towards center, for better and/or worse.
Which is weird, because far left communists are the absolute last people I would expect to support Russia or China.
Not from what I've seen, at least with respect to China. Plenty of them seem to minimize the deplorable actions of the CCP while extolling it's economic policies. They frequently hold China up as a shining example a successful communist state and seem more interested in the fact that it challenges the West and capitalism than they are concerned about it's numerous human rights violations and total disregard for the sovereignty of its neighbors.
That's what I don't understand. China isn't a Communist state, not since the 90s. They gutted their social safety net, lowered taxes on the rich, privatized most of their economy and then sold all their industry to multinational corporations. They're farther from communism than the average EU country now, and about on par with the US.
Same with Russia. Russia is basically Galt's Gulch now, which is why a segment of the GOP love it so much. It's like he lemmygraders stopped paying attention around 1990 and think nothing has changed since then.
It doesn’t really cost much money to hire people to push a false narrative about your country. Honestly, it would be more surprising if they weren’t doing this. There might be some people genuinely spouting pro-China nonsense but they’re getting those talking points from somewhere.
It starts with state controlled media, then paid shills spread it all over the internet, eventually real people who are maybe pissed at their own country’s shortcomings start pushing the narrative as well.
We're getting a bit off topic from the original question, but I'll chime in b/c why not.
Technically, neither China nor the USSR were communist states. They were/are socialist states run the by the communist party. Neither were able to get rid of capitalism. China has taken an approach of "socialism with Chinese characteristics" for their "implementation".
China is still "socialist" in a sense because socialism is a pretty broad spectrum. They've kept capitalism along side socialism, but try to keep capitalism beholden to the state.
People talk well about China b/c the economic policies have arguably worked quite well given where they've come from. That doesn't mean you have to agree or support some of their ...worse... policies. It's a mixed bag. But so is the west.
As of now, China is the closest large economy for an existing implementation of socialism. There are other states, but they aren't as large or successful as China.
But yeah, I do agree that the lemmygraders are a bit much. But that's my thoughts on what I've seen since joining and why I think lemmy seems to trend where it does on that topic.
I don't pretend to know much about how China functions, but I know enough to know its certainly more capitalistic than Mao would have liked. But this is why I'm not a fan of communism—the most developed countries that embraced it all became horrible dictatorships that betray the most central tenets of communism. In other words, it doesn't seem to work all that well, at least not on a grand scale. For it to work as intended, I think it requires a fairly small community—like a commune. I'm not a fan of capitalism either though; my preference is something in the middle, more like Democratic socialism.
But the point is, some Far Lefties do seem to like China for whatever reason. Again, I think they mainly just like that they're opposing capitalism and view the CCP through some very rose-colored classes.