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Lemmy devs are considering making all votes public - have your say (github.com)

submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by rimu@piefed.social to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Probably better to post in the github issue rather than replying here.

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4967

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[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

So the annoying neckbeard i downvoted for being an annoying neckbeard is gonna DM me?

[-] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 10 points 3 months ago

Yes

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

No joke, if I start getting harassed over votes on this site ill probably just leave. Its already pretty toxic.

[-] subignition@fedia.io -2 points 3 months ago

You should be reporting and then blocking a user that harasses you in that manner. Those tools are available to you for a reason.

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

It hasn't even started yet and somebody is pulling the 'why aren't you just blocking them' shit.

[-] subignition@fedia.io 1 points 3 months ago

Okay, well, what are your expectations for an (edit: public) online space? What makes blocking unreasonable people an unreasonable option for you?

To be clear, I'm not trying to lay the responsibility exclusively on users here. Trolls and agitators have been around as long as the Internet has. But moderators are volunteers and don't have the bandwidth to diligently police their spaces 100% of the time.

Reputation, whether informed by a voting system or not, has always been an important component of excluding bad behavior in pseudonymous communities. I don't think it is a reasonable expectation that you can participate in a space without spending any effort in keeping it clean for yourself and others (not that I think your position is necessarily that severe.) Reporting bad behavior should be the minimum expectation, and I see the block list as a fallback for when moderation efforts are insufficient or don't align well with the user's expectations.

[-] wellheh 5 points 3 months ago

IMO the problem is not that you can't block them but tooling. It is true that with the appropriate tools and work you can farm the data yourself and get everyone's votes, but realistically most people aren't going to go out of their way to do that. I see no reason why this would make lemmy better and instead just gives ammunition to bad actors. The poster above you is asking why we need to do more things to avoid bad actors as an effect of the change instead of avoiding that outcome. We know there will be bad actors, but we don't need to make things easy for them. Maybe you were never gonna stop the guy willing to make an instance and look through all your votes, but you'd stop all the ones who wouldn't be willing to put in the effort.

[-] subignition@fedia.io -1 points 3 months ago

I can see the logic in that. I feel like the easier it is for someone to misbehave, the more quickly they'll be weeded out from a community, but I agree that there might be an increase in the effort required by individual users because of something like this.