I don't think he remotely fits the "overly wholesome" aspect of this meme at all. He's far more relatable to creator #1. He made shows about things that are difficult to talk about with kids. He frequently negotiated topics that others advised against. He was incredibly articulate and relatable when it came to even angry letters from ignorant parents. He communicated with children the same way he would with adults. He literally hired a working jazz club pianist to do the music and when asked what kids songs he was going to be playing, homie's basically like, "Uh, you do you fam. YOU are the music program." He even made episodes of his show that were FOR adults. He cared deeply about emotional health and knew how detrimental it is to your development at all stages in life. And he did this for decades as a devout and committed spiritual leader and never mentions God a single time. He knows how to be an example and I would be amazed if he were capable of hiding a sordid and deplorable existence.

He was also an incredible debater and speaker. He does use simpler language on the show but he is very capable. Just adding that because I'm obviously biased. I met him once and my mom wrote him an angry letter. She's always been a piece of trash but I will never forget his kindness and joy.